Universal Salvation

[Gulah Papyrus]

I was surprised to hear one of my favorite Bible teachers not completely reject the idea that eventually all will be saved. He didn't say he supported it but admitted that there is scripture that supports it and that it is possible that somehow God does bring ALL of his children home.

'...God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of believers’ (1 Tim 4: 10).

‘For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him (Jesus), and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.’ (Col 1: 19, 20).

‘And every created thing that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power for ever and ever.”’(Rev 5:13)

‘For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.’(1 Cor 15:22-24)

Your thoughts?

[Big Jake]

I was surprised to hear one of my favorite Bible teachers not completely reject the idea that eventually all will be saved. He didn't say he supported it but admitted that there is scripture that supports it and that it is possible that somehow God does bring ALL of his children home.

'...God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of believers’ (1 Tim 4: 10).

‘For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him (Jesus), and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.’ (Col 1: 19, 20).

‘And every created thing that is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power for ever and ever.”’(Rev 5:13)

‘For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.’(1 Cor 15:22-24)

Your thoughts?

I don't know what salvation means in entirety. But I think God will have mercy on all men in some shape or form. Scriptures point to this being the case.

[VerticalReality]

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[Gulah Papyrus]

Oops.

Sorry 'bout that.

[BrckBrln]

I was surprised to hear one of my favorite Bible teachers not completely reject the idea that eventually all will be saved.

Who said that? ...

[Gulah Papyrus]

Steve Gregg...here's a link to the call...start at the 6 minute mark...

http://www.thenarrowpath.com/archive/TNP090205H.mp3

[Followtheway]

However its just very unfortunate that hell is for eternity

[Gulah Papyrus]

However its just very unfortunate that hell is for eternity

What do you mean?

This kind of bothering me so please, serious responses only.

Thanks.

[theBelovedDisciple]

One needs only look to the Book of Revelation and look to the Future Great White Throne Judgement.. to see that 'all' will not be saved..... it is Reality..... and its penned thru John as He was under the Inspiration of the Holy Ghost.....

I believe Unveralism when dealing with Salvation and the belief that 'all will be saved' in the end... flies in the face of Scripture and is a diabolical lie.... I believe it would be classified in the 'doctrine of devils' class.... and those that believe and follow it will follow that doctrine right into perdition...

May His Wisdom and His Face Shine upon.. revealing to you the Truth in the Scripture..

[shepherdsword]

One needs only look to the Book of Revelation and look to the Future Great White Throne Judgement.. to see that 'all' will not be saved..... it is Reality..... and its penned thru John as He was under the Inspiration of the Holy Ghost.....

I believe Unveralism when dealing with Salvation and the belief that 'all will be saved' in the end... flies in the face of Scripture and is a diabolical lie.... I believe it would be classified in the 'doctrine of devils' class.... and those that believe and follow it will follow that doctrine right into perdition...

May His Wisdom and His Face Shine upon.. revealing to you the Truth in the Scripture..

BD is totally correct. The verses that seem to lean toward "universal salvation" or "ultimate reconciliation" as it is sometimes called use "all" in a classic metaphorical sense known as the synecdoche:

"a figure of speech in which a part is used for the whole or the whole for a part, the special for the general or the general for the special, as in ten sail for ten ships or a Croesus for a rich man."

[Oma]

The problem begins with a wrong undestanding of the word "All".
"All" when used in the Scripture often means all without "distinction" not all without "exception." For instance:
Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Matt 3:5-6 (KJV)
That can't mean that every last person was baptized and confessed their sins because we know the Pharisees and chief priest didn't submit to the baptism of John.

[Followtheway]

I said that because, we learn from the bible that hell(punishment) is eternal. So, it cant work to have everyone saved yet be eternally condemed.

[Gulah Papyrus]

I said that because, we learn from the bible that hell(punishment) is eternal. So, it cant work to have everyone saved yet be eternally condemed.

But that's the whole point of the discussion. There are also verses that say that ALL are saved/ Maybe you could list the verse that says that hell is eternal?

note: I am not a Universalist but thought the topic was worthy of discussion.

[Followtheway]

matt: 18.8

matt: 25.46

2 thess: 1.9

rev: 19.3

rev: 20.10

[th1bill]

'...God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of believers’ (1 Tim 4: 10).

... Folks, I'm sorry for allowing this to go unnoticed but I do not read every post that is posted on any of the forums that I attempt to teach on but since this one has the earmarks of being something I said I am going to state the truth of the matter here and now. I, in no way recall ever making this post and if someone says I did they have taken me out of context because I always teach against this heresy.