is the doctrine of imputed righteousness false?

[reformedct]

just looking for opinions please

here is a site i was looking at http://matthartke.wordpress.com/page/8/

i have also heard of guys like nt wright who also believe it is false and not biblical. please take a look at the link i posted for more details

more specifically, they are saying that God doesnt give us His own righteousness, but instead gives us our own individual righteousness, not the righteousness of Christ

[Sirus]

So many words to say so little, just to end up not denying inputed righteousness.
"He sees the end from the beginning"
Does God really forget our sin?

[BrckBrln]

I'm very much interested in this as well. I read something from N.T. Wright explaining The New Perspective on Paul and he talks about imputed righteousness. I don't know as much about Justification as I should. I'm thinking about getting Jesus' Blood and Righteousness by Brian Vickers which is about imputed righteousness.

[crossnote]

Without the doctrine of imputed righteousness we simply slip back into works righteousness and have no true ground of assurance and peace with God.
If every thought and act I make is done to continue towards a final justification then I would be most miserable but if all I say and do is animated through the knowledge that I have already been declared righteous on the grounds of Christ's perfect righteousness and that that declaration is my true hope of acceptance I have great peace and rest in Him.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
(Rom 4:6)

[Joyfulee]

For sure, there is no other way, as long as we're in human bodies, that we're going to attain it.

Blessings

[theBelovedDisciple]

Without the doctrine of imputed righteousness we simply slip back into works righteousness and have no true ground of assurance and peace with God.
If every thought and act I make is done to continue towards a final justification then I would be most miserable but if all I say and do is animated through the knowledge that I have already been declared righteous on the grounds of Christ's perfect righteousness and that that declaration is my true hope of acceptance I have great peace and rest in Him.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
(Rom 4:6)

Exactly! is it our own righteouesness? no

Whose is it? God's Righteouesness

What is the Righteousness of God?

The Person of Jesus the Christ.. and what He Accomplished on that
Bloody Tree...

He is the Gift of Righteousness.

it's Righteousness BY FAITH.......

Faith and Belief in Who He is and What He has accomplished on that Bloody Tree....

When He said... It is Finished..... It was Finished...

and the Way Back to the Father with the Remission of Sins... is thru Him and What He Perfectly Accomplished when they Nailed Him to the Tree..



Impute: from the Greek... notice it is a 'verb'... which means Action on the Part of Someobdy... who is that Somebody?

God Himself...

1) to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over
a) to take into account, to make an account of
1) metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute
2) a thing is reckoned as or to be something, i.e. as availing for or equivalent to something, as having the like force and weight
b) to number among, reckon with
c) to reckon or account
2) to reckon inward, count up or weigh the reasons, to deliberate
3) by reckoning up all the reasons, to gather or infer
a) to consider, take into account, weigh, meditate on
b) to suppose, deem, judge
c) to determine, purpose, decide


When you recieve a Gift.. from somebody...

You don't work for that Gift, you don't pay for that Gift... you don't EARN it.. by your own works...

its given to you 'freely' by a Person...

He , Jesus the Christ.. God manifest in the flesh, is God's Gift of Righteousness to those Who Believe....

Righteousness by FAITH.........

[Butch5]

just looking for opinions please

here is a site i was looking at http://matthartke.wordpress.com/page/8/

i have also heard of guys like nt wright who also believe it is false and not biblical. please take a look at the link i posted for more details

more specifically, they are saying that God doesnt give us His own righteousness, but instead gives us our own individual righteousness, not the righteousness of Christ

Seems like he nailed it to me. The title of this thread is a little misleading. I believe in imputed righteousness, however, I don't believe that it is Christ' righteousness that is imputed to us. Imputed righteousness means God counts us righteous.

[Wintermute]

There is a parable about a man show tried to get into a feast wearing his own robe (his own righteousness) and he end's up getting thrown out because of it. Only the robe of Christ's righteousness will do.

[John146]

Seems like he nailed it to me. The title of this thread is a little misleading. I believe in imputed righteousness, however, I don't believe that it is Christ' righteousness that is imputed to us. Imputed righteousness means God counts us righteous.

He counts our faith to us for righteousness.

Romans 4
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

But none of us are good or righteous in and of ourselves.

Matthew 19
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

[theBelovedDisciple]

When the accuser stands before God the Father, accusing the elect of God...., day and night..... Jesus standing there as your Advocate.... defense lawyer....... what 'covers' you and 'protects' you from satan's devouring you because of your error, is Christ's Blood and Christ's Righteousness...

which Satan can't touch..

thats why God did what He did thru His Son on that bloody tree.. by nailing Him to it...

Christ's Perfect work.. which satan can't touch.. he has nothing on it or can accuse it.. because Christ is Perfect. and walked Perfectly and completed what He was Sent to do.. Perfectly....



as Jesus told His Disciples.. right before He went to that Bloody tree

the prince of this world cometh...

he hath nothing in Me...



Your Faith in what He has Completed... which is Righteousness by Faith... ......... is imputed because of your Faith in Him and what He accomplished on that bloody tree...

He is the Gift of Righteousness...

all of our attempts or what we 'deem' righteous .. other than what is Done In Him and Thru Him... His Person.. is 'filthy rags..


Thats why the Cross is an offense to so many... its a stumbling stone... and Paul even declared weeping.. that there are many 'enemies' of the Cross of Christ... whose god is their belly, whose glory is their shame... who mind earthly things...

[PastorMike]

Of course it is "His Righteousness." One reference is all that is needed here: 2 Corinthians 5:21: For He hath made Him to be sin for us, Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." God bless you and remember, Charity never faileth!

[BroRog]

just looking for opinions please

here is a site i was looking at http://matthartke.wordpress.com/page/8/

i have also heard of guys like nt wright who also believe it is false and not biblical. please take a look at the link i posted for more details

more specifically, they are saying that God doesnt give us His own righteousness, but instead gives us our own individual righteousness, not the righteousness of Christ

God does NOT impute Christ's righteousness to us.

This idea comes from those who assume that God's favor must be gained through merit of some kind. Since we can not gain God's favor through our OWN merit, we must gain it through Christ's merit which is accounted to our favor. In other words, God imputes the righteousness of Christ to us.

This idea is NOT Biblical because the Bible says that God accounted Abraham's faith as righteousness, and eternal life is a free gift, not according to works.

In fact, righteousness is not imputed at all in any form. Rather, what has been imputed is not "righteousness", but "justification." God grants us justification as a free gift in view of our faith. Justification is a forensic (of the court) declaration of being "in the right" with respect to God. We are declared "in the right", not because we are morally virtuous, and not because Christ's moral virtue is accounted to us. We are "in the right" with God because God decided to over look our sins in view of our faith.

[9Marksfan]

We are "in the right" with God because God decided to over look our sins in view of our faith.

So why did Christ have to live a perfect life and die a sacrificial death then? All seems a bit unnecessary if God can just forget our sin because we believe!

[9Marksfan]

He counts our faith to us for righteousness.

Romans 4
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

But none of us are good or righteous in and of ourselves.

Matthew 19
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The thing is, faith is not a substitute for righteousness - it is the thing that CONNECTS us to CHRIST's righteousness! The Greek "for" means "moving toward" - whose righteousness does our faith move toward? Christ's!

[Sirus]

God does NOT impute Christ's righteousness to us.

...........God imputes the righteousness of Christ to us.

......righteousness is not imputed at all in any form

I assume you tried to explain this obvious contradiction, but I'm just not seeing it.