Alvin Plantinga vs. Daniel Dennett

[apothanein kerdos]

For those interesting, here is a minute by minute break down of the debate. If you want to listen to the audio of the debate, you can click here. If that doesn't work, you can go here.

It's a very interesting debate. Let me know what you guys think.

[Athanasius]

Does Dennet even have the intellectual horsepower to go against Plantinga?

[apothanein kerdos]

Does Dennet even have the intellectual horsepower to go against Plantinga?

No, which is why the debate is so funny.

[Athanasius]

No, which is why the debate is so funny.

That's what I thought... I'm still trying to get through Breaking the Spell, two years later In any case, audio playing and will read that minute by minute after that.

[HisLeast]

Well ... looks like I've got something to do at work from 1am to 9am while I babysit my cell phone.

[HisLeast]

DANGIT! I totally missed my own 5000th post!

[Athanasius]

Well ... looks like I've got something to do at work from 1am to 9am while I babysit my cell phone.

DANGIT! I totally missed my own 5000th post!

Yay, 5000th!...
Dennett is extremely disappointing I expected his sort of argument to be restricted to internet forums, but I suppose my expectations were set too high.

[Bernie]

ak, neither of the links you provided seem to work for me and I'd rather hear the actual debate as opposed to someone else's opinion of it....do you know of any other links to the audio on this thing?

[apothanein kerdos]

ak, neither of the links you provided seem to work for me and I'd rather hear the actual debate as opposed to someone else's opinion of it....do you know of any other links to the audio on this thing?

If you go to the last link and open the page, you can right click on the audio file and download it. That seems to work better than playing it straight from the file.

[ilovemetal]

read the link. currently listening to the debate.

i have however watched a debate between D'sousa and Hitchens, where, even as a generally decently well read lay-man Hitchens arguments were more insults than anything and helt no ground. in fact i couldn't figure out the points he was ever trying to make. my friend got his book 'god is not great' and she showed me, (she didn't read it cuz there was 'big' words-which i explained some) anyways, his book was the same thing. i glanced at it, skimmed it looking for solid sound arguments, and only found basless attacks. he's a joke for sure...

haven't heard dennet yet, but since he is 'popular' i have presupposed him to be with the likes of dawkins and hitchens, who i think are plain fools, and can't imagine them being smarter than me, grade 12grad; read about 10 apologetic books ever...maybe i'm wrong, since i don't teach at a university...

[Athanasius]

Dennet is more reasonable than Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins in that he attempts to put forth some sort of rational argument. Even with that, though, none of it actually makes any sense if you take it off paper and apply it to the real world.

Harris is good for insults
Dawkins for absurd illustrations.
Hitchens for stories about his life.