Will Christs Millenium Reign be in corruption Or incorruption???

[Firstfruits]

With regards to the following scripture will Christs millenium reign be in corruption or incorruption?

1 Corinthians 15:46-54
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

God bless!

Firstfruits

[Firstfruits]

Will Christ millenium reign be on this earth which is corrupt, or the new earth that is incorruptable?

Firstfruits

[jeffweeder]

I was under the impression that nothing incorruptible would enter what God had created for us....
He hath given us Eternal life, not a mere 1000 years..
His promise to us was to be where he is now, and where God is --there is no unrighteousness.

[Firstfruits]

I was under the impression that nothing incorruptible would enter what God had created for us....
He hath given us Eternal life, not a mere 1000 years..
His promise to us was to be where he is now, and where God is --there is no unrighteousness.

Is it wrong therefore to say that we will reign with Christ on this earth for the millenium knowing that it is corrupt and unrighteouss?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[jeffweeder]

Is it wrong therefore to say that we will reign with Christ on this earth for the millenium knowing that it is corrupt and unrighteouss?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Yes, the promise he made was all about the place where righteousness dwells, and this is what i look forward to.
Just being a good student of ST Peter..........2nd letter chap 3.

[Firstfruits]

Yes, the promise he made was all about the place where righteousness dwells, and this is what i look forward to.
Just being a good student of ST Peter..........2nd letter chap 3.

Thanks Jeffweeder,

That has been very helpful.

2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Pet 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2 Pet 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2 Pet 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[DurbanDude]

Just like now, Christ is among us and reigns in our hearts, so will the millenium be.

Except our bodies will be incorruptible, as per the quoted scriptures above, we will have overcome death through Christ, our resurrection bodies will be proof of this.

If Christ can be among the corrupt now (cos he lives inside us, and we dwell among men), so he will rule over the corrupt in the millenium, and we will rule with Him. Think about it, if the only ones left are the pure of heart, who will we be reigning over? Yet Daniel and NT verses say we will be reigning with Christ.

Just because the corrupt are ruled over, does not mean they experience Christ; Thessalonians is clear they are forever separated from Christ.

Not that the world will be corrupt, because there will be no temptation because Satan will be bound during the millenium, there will be little sin and quickly dealt with. The doctrine of the nations being ruled over with an iron rod of discipline after the Messiah sets up His earthly reign is widespread in the OT and the NT, and the oneness of love we will have with Christ does not match the nations that are ruled over with discipline.

There are two camps in the millenium. The camp of the resurrected saints who rule with Christ and who have incorruptible bodies and incorruptible spirits (one with Christ forever), and the mortals who are ruled over. Nothing in the scriptures quoted above contradicts this view of the millenium, this view is well supported in the Gospels, Thessalonians, Rev, Zechariah, Joel, Daniel, Ezekiel.

[Firstfruits]

Just like now, Christ is among us and reigns in our hearts, so will the millenium be.

Except our bodies will be incorruptible, as per the quoted scriptures above, we will have overcome death through Christ, our resurrection bodies will be proof of this.

If Christ can be among the corrupt now (cos he lives inside us, and we dwell among men), so he will rule over the corrupt in the millenium, and we will rule with Him. Think about it, if the only ones left are the pure of heart, who will we be reigning over? Yet Daniel and NT verses say we will be reigning with Christ.

Just because the corrupt are ruled over, does not mean they experience Christ; Thessalonians is clear they are forever separated from Christ.

Not that the world will be corrupt, because there will be no temptation because Satan will be bound during the millenium, there will be little sin and quickly dealt with. The doctrine of the nations being ruled over with an iron rod of discipline after the Messiah sets up His earthly reign is widespread in the OT and the NT, and the oneness of love we will have with Christ does not match the nations that are ruled over with discipline.

There are two camps in the millenium. The camp of the resurrected saints who rule with Christ and who have incorruptible bodies and incorruptible spirits (one with Christ forever), and the mortals who are ruled over. Nothing in the scriptures quoted above contradicts this view of the millenium, this view is well supported in the Gospels, Thessalonians, Rev, Zechariah, Joel, Daniel, Ezekiel.

Thank you DurbanDude,

I understand that Christ dwells in us on this corrupt earth but this earth is not where he has gone to prepare a place for us this earth is corrupt and not righteous.

2 Pet 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Jn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Where has Jesus gone to prepare a place for us, is he in the Jerusalem on this earth or is he in Heaven?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[DurbanDude]

Thank you DurbanDude,

I understand that Christ dwells in us on this corrupt earth but this earth is not where he has gone to prepare a place for us this earth is corrupt and not righteous.

2 Pet 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Jn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Where has Jesus gone to prepare a place for us, is he in the Jerusalem on this earth or is he in Heaven?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Hi Firstfruits,

Before I attend to your questions, please answer the questions that I mentioned. Who do we reign over, and who does Christ reign over during the millenium?

Thanks
DD

[Firstfruits]

Hi Firstfruits,

Before I attend to your questions, please answer the questions that I mentioned. Who do we reign over, and who does Christ reign over during the millenium?

Thanks
DD

There are two camps in the millenium. The camp of the resurrected saints who rule with Christ and who have incorruptible bodies and incorruptible spirits (one with Christ forever), and the mortals who are ruled over. Nothing in the scriptures quoted above contradicts this view of the millenium, this view is well supported in the Gospels, Thessalonians, Rev, Zechariah, Joel, Daniel, Ezekiel.

I hope the following answers your question.

Lk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Is 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Is 32:1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

When Christ reigns in New Jerusalem the former earth will be no more and those that destroy the earth will themselve be destroyed.

Only those that belong to Christ shall be ruled by Christ.

Firstfruits

[DurbanDude]

There are two camps in the millenium. The camp of the resurrected saints who rule with Christ and who have incorruptible bodies and incorruptible spirits (one with Christ forever), and the mortals who are ruled over. Nothing in the scriptures quoted above contradicts this view of the millenium, this view is well supported in the Gospels, Thessalonians, Rev, Zechariah, Joel, Daniel, Ezekiel.

I hope the following answers your question.

Lk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Is 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Is 32:1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

When Christ reigns in New Jerusalem the former earth will be no more and those that destroy the earth will themselve be destroyed.

Only those that belong to Christ shall be ruled by Christ.

Firstfruits

But who do those that belong to Christ rule over?
2 Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Rev:
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.


Also , I don't know if you read the verse you quoted carefully:

Lk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

This is saying that some of Christ's enemies choose to be ruled over , and the rest are slain.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

After the second coming, Jesus rules (shepherds) the nations with a rod of iron (discipline),He first smites them, then rules them.

[Firstfruits]

But who do those that belong to Christ rule over?
2 Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Rev:
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.


Also , I don't know if you read the verse you quoted carefully:

Lk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

This is saying that some of Christ's enemies choose to be ruled over , and the rest are slain.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

After the second coming, Jesus rules (shepherds) the nations with a rod of iron (discipline),He first smites them, then rules them.

For anyone to be reigned over by Christ they would have to be in his kingdom the corrupt shall not enter Gods kingdom.

Firstfruits

[DurbanDude]

For anyone to be reigned over by Christ they would have to be in his kingdom the corrupt shall not enter Gods kingdom.

Firstfruits

This is a play on words, but not actually accurate. We all know what God's kingdom is, it is the rule of Christ in our hearts. And i agree that the ungodly can have no part of this.

But to say God cannot have any continual dominion over the corrupt, that God's only rule can be immediate destruction is not a doctrine that I've seen in the bible. God has taken control over many situations that involve the corrupt, just because the corrupt sometimes experience the discipline of God, does not make them suddenly part of God's spiritual kingdom.

We both know that we are talking about 2 different types of kingdom here, one is the spiritual kingdom of the incorruptible, and the other is Christ's physical reign on earth when He comes to Mount Zion. They are different kingdoms, to quote scripture about one type of kingdom, and apply it to the other type of kingdom does not make much sense to me.

Thessalonians makes it clear that the ungodly are eternally separated from the presence of the Lord at the second coming, so we are in agreement here, there is no doubt. That means permanent death, if physically they live a little longer , this does not make them suddenly part of the kingdom of God, in reality they are spiritually dead and will never experience the presence of God.

[Gary Rake]

If the millineum does not have people who are corrupt or capable of being corrupted in it, who are the ones who side with Satan to attack Jerusalem when he is released at the end of the millenium? Who is there for Jesus to rule over with a rod of iron if everyone is in full agreement with his rule (as we would expect from the risen bride). Who are the kings then who won't come to Jerusalem and worship Jesus in the temple, that Jesus causes their nations to suffer drought for their indifference?

[Firstfruits]

This is a play on words, but not actually accurate. We all know what God's kingdom is, it is the rule of Christ in our hearts. And i agree that the ungodly can have no part of this.

But to say God cannot have any continual dominion over the corrupt, that God's only rule can be immediate destruction is not a doctrine that I've seen in the bible. God has taken control over many situations that involve the corrupt, just because the corrupt sometimes experience the discipline of God, does not make them suddenly part of God's spiritual kingdom.

We both know that we are talking about 2 different types of kingdom here, one is the spiritual kingdom of the incorruptible, and the other is Christ's physical reign on earth when He comes to Mount Zion. They are different kingdoms, to quote scripture about one type of kingdom, and apply it to the other type of kingdom does not make much sense to me.

Thessalonians makes it clear that the ungodly are eternally separated from the presence of the Lord at the second coming, so we are in agreement here, there is no doubt. That means permanent death, if physically they live a little longer , this does not make them suddenly part of the kingdom of God, in reality they are spiritually dead and will never experience the presence of God.

How are those that reign with christ going to reign in their physical body since they are dead?

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Those that are killed are are seen under the altar of God, before the throne of God in heaven.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Do you believe that those before the throne of God will leave incorruption to reign in in corruption on this earth?

God bless!

Firstfruits