ham and pepperoni pizza and stuff? is it against the law to eat pig still? what about steak, etc
ham and pepperoni pizza and stuff? is it against the law to eat pig still? what about steak, etc
Good bye.
I say no, but my reason... is not allowed to be taught on the public forum.
Posting Freak
Christians can eat what they want to, so long as they do it for the glory of God. This particular Christian is vegan to the glory of God, but you'll find plenty of others who eat to the glory of God.
Christianity isn't about a lot of rules... it's about Christ.
Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.
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Really? So I can covet my neighbor's stuff then? No rules about That? What about a budda idol? No rules, right? Maybe I can cut my employees wages, since 'The Law' says to pay a living wage, but it's no longer in effect?
It's not about rules, it's about trusting our Father's wisdom. Isn't Christ the Author of Torah? Are we not to be His disciples, to walk in the way He did? What did Jesus do? Break His own laws?
Just some things to ponder and pray about.....
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Which also begs the question: Are Christians supposed to subject themselves to the same dietary laws as the Jews?
As righteous as Christ.
The food laws were associated with holiness. Do a study on holiness in the NT and see what God requires for holiness there. Also, look at what Jesus recommended eating (every word that proceeds from the mouth of God).Originally Posted by wrangler77
In short, if you eat what the enemy says (i.e. allow his thoughts and doctrine to dwell in your heart) then you will not be holy but will be unclean for unclean things will then proceed from your heart. If you eat what Jesus says and allow his thoughts and doctrine to dwell in your heart, then you will be clean and clean things will come from your heart.
The OT is a type and shadow to reveal the spiritual. Live by the spirit of the law and you won't go wrong.
Grace and peace,
Mark
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
i guess the question is is dietary law have to do with righteousness or were they there to distinguish the Jews as a set apart people. similar to rules about not shaving your beard/ etc. how do we know which laws count which do
IT has nothing to do with righteousness. It's has everything to do with trusting God. God is the creator of all wisdom. Do we trust Him, or men's teachings?
"If you love me, you'll obey my commandments" - Jesus
so we are not allowed to shave and God will be displeased if we do?
Posting Freak
As a vegan, I can't believe that I'm the one pointing this out...
Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy-day, or of the new-moon, or of the sabbaths - Colossians 2:16
I've been judged for being vegan by people who tell me that Christians must eat meat. I've seen meat eaters judged by vegetarian Christians who say that we should all eat like Adam and Eve.
But Scripture says that what we do we should do to the glory of God. If someone can eat a pig in good conscience, then they can. I can't. But we're judged by our conscience, not our neighbours. I'm convicted of sin if I eat animals. Most people aren't. For me to eat them would be a sin. For others it wouldn't be.
God judges the individual. It's between you and God what you eat, and "no man therefore" has the right to judge another.
Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.
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Did I say anything about God being 'displeased'?
I wouldn't presume to judge anyone. Howver I will defend what God says, but hopefully not in a judgemental way.
so are we allowed to shave our beards. if so, why?
As righteous as Christ.
Look what God said about the food laws in the old covenant.
Ex 22:31
31 And you shall be holy men to Me, therefore you shall not eat any flesh torn to pieces in the field; you shall throw it to the dogs.
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and
Lev 11:41-45
41 'Now every swarming thing that swarms on the earth is detestable, not to be eaten. 42 'Whatever crawls on its belly, and whatever walks on all fours, whatever has many feet, in respect to every swarming thing that swarms on the earth, you shall not eat them, for they are detestable. 43 'Do not render yourselves detestable through any of the swarming things that swarm; and you shall not make yourselves unclean with them so that you become unclean. 44 'For I am the Lord your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy; for I am holy. And you shall not make yourselves unclean with any of the swarming things that swarm on the earth. 45 'For I am the Lord, who brought you up from the land of Egypt, to be your God; thus you shall be holy for I am holy.'"
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and
Lev 20:24-26
25 'You are therefore to make a distinction between the clean animal and the unclean, and between the unclean bird and the clean; and you shall not make yourselves detestable by animal or by bird or by anything that creeps on the ground, which I have separated for you as unclean. 26 'Thus you are to be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy; and I have set you apart from the peoples to be Mine.
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Over and over and over again we see where God says that eating the unclean animal makes us detestable in his sight. Then he says we are to be holy as he is holy right in the midst of the food laws. Why? What is he saying?
Fast forward to the new testament.
Rom 2:29
29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
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and
Rom 7:6
6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
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and
2 Cor 3:6-7
6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
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So we must ask ourselves, what is the spirit of the food laws? What is God saying? For the letter is not the point but rather, the newness of spirit is.
1 Peter 1:13-17
13 Therefore, gird your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16 because it is written, "You shall be holy, for I am holy."
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If you are going to be holy, then you must gird up your mind for action! Jesus said it this way...
Matt 4:3-5
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.'"
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Notice Jesus does not eat the words of Satan but rather the words of God. And thus, he remains holy.
and
John 6:47-51
48 "I am the bread of life. 49 "Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 "This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread also which I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh."
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Jesus is the bread of life. He is clean! He is the passover Lamb we are to eat.
In closing...
Rom 12:1-2
12 I urge you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
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As we renew our minds, our heart is changed because of what we are thinking about. What comes out from us is what is in our heart. Jesus said it this way...
Mark 7:18-23
18 And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him; 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated? "(Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20 And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23 "All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man."
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In summary, eat Christ and his word, for He is clean. Do not become detestable before God by eating the words of Satan and his cohorts. For we are to be holy as he is holy. Whatever we eat spiritually, will impact our mind and take root in our heart. Then what is in our heart will be acted upon and we will either act holy or defile ourselves because of what comes out.
Grace and peace,
Mark
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
Posting Freak
Great point. The Torah has not been done away with... it has been filled up in Jesus. And again, here's the vegan pointing out a passage that's been used as a stick to beat her with in the past ("weak brother!" lol)
What about Romans 14?
Please could everyone pray for Mieke and Charles.
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