I have. And it made me convinced that the doctrine has not been immutable!Look up some of the ECF's opinions reagrding contraception, it might give you some food for thought.
Augustine harshly condemned the INTENT to remove children from sex. He essentially condemned a form of NFP (natural family planning) which sought to use a woman's natural cycle to have intercourse when it was unlikely she would conceive. The CC now allows this.
Furthermore, the CC considers contraception to be intrinsically evil. That is, there is no circumstance where it could be morally justified. I don't understand their reason for condemning it.
Jesus came to fulfill Judaism, not create a new variant!There are to many to give, start with the implementation of the Levetical preisthood and the instructions regarding the Arc of the Covenant, and the temple to house it in. It is quite clear that Jews had a centralized religious heirarchy with the high priest at the top, and the temple as the visible structure were their sacrifice's and worship took place.
Remove children or remove the intent for the possibility of children?Originally Posted by decrumpit
Paul tells us in Romans that the Old Covenant foreshadowed the New.Originally Posted by decrumpit
You know about the high priest entering the Holie of Holies and making atonement for the sins of the people through animal sacrifice? That was just one of it's purposes.Originally Posted by notuptome
Actually they did, in the Talmud it states that the high priests decisions when he consulted the Urim and Thummim were irrevocable, which in other words means that the people understood that he had received a divine revelation from God. It even states that the prophets decision could be revoked but not the high priests. The Urim and the Thummim fell out of use i believe, but that did not stop Caiaphas(the high priest) in John11:49-52 from still receiving a divine revelation regarding the purpose of Christ.Originally Posted by kay-gee
To separate sex from children in any way. His accusations were against those who basically tried to do NFP. Correct me if I'm wrong.Remove children or remove the intent for the possibility of children?
True, but Jesus fulfilled the prophecies in a different way. He did not re-institute sacrifice nor establish a hierarchy. The sacrifice was paid and all believers are priests.Paul tells us in Romans that the Old Covenant foreshadowed the New.
The NT church, visible, is no better. Christ is the true head of the church, invisible, and only He is above corruption. Christ did not establish the rcc with all its hierarchy. Christ only left us with two ordaninces, baptism and communion. Paul gives us pastors and deacons in the churches. Our unity is found in Christ not in man made contrivances like denominations and synods etc.
For the cause of Christ.
Your are going to have to link me the quotes from Augustine, but even then Humanae Vitae is more authoritative that a private opinion expressed by Augustine.Originally Posted by decrumpit
And therein lies the difference between Catholicism and protestanism.Originally Posted by decrumpit
Can i ask you then why you think Jesus told the crowds to do everything the scribes and Pharisees taught them if they were corrupt(Matthew23:2)?Originally Posted by notuptome
For the cause of Christ
Your earlier argument was that they were corrupted, but clearly what they taught wasn't, or are you saying Christ was giving people permission to sin?
A person who is in the rcc is not absolved of his or her personal responsibility to obey Christ. The fact that rome teaches salvation by works of baptism, confirmation, communion, confession, marriage, papal alligence and last rites, claiming they are means of grace when they are clearly works especially the way the rcc applies them does not relieve the individuals need to trust Christ personally and not the church or the pope for salvation. If a person claims I did all the rcc told me is that not enough to enter heaven? The answer must be no. Jesus is the way the truth and the life not the rcc.
I like the hierarchy Christ established. Believer, Christ, Father.
Local Church hierarchy. believer, deacon (servant), pastor(teacher), Christ, Father.
For the cause of Christ.
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