I have a question regarding medicine...

[bluejay_04]

Do you go to a Word of Faith church? Or a church that teaches against modern medicine? I see you have a child in your profile picture, does your husband allow immunizations? Tylenol for headaches? If your child had any kind of illness, would he allow him/her to be treated by a physician? My point is, somewhere there is going to be some inconsistency in what your husband believes. Does he lock his car or the house? If so, why doesn't he just "trust God"?

My heart really goes out to you. I believe in submitting to your husband's authority, but when it comes to your health, if he is denying you healthcare (in God's name) I firmly believe your husband will be held accountable. I'm going to be praying that God opens his eyes to see the truth and that he is abusing you...yes, I believe this is abuse. Not only emotional, but to a point, spiritual abuse. I'm sure he loves you and I don't mean to come across like I'm attacking him, because I don't think he realizes it. But ultimately, He is using God and your relationship with God to control you. To me, that is one of the worst forms of abuse and I believe he'll be held accountable one day for that.

We go to a Word of Faith church and I've never heard my pastor say anything against medicine. I actually just got off the phone with my husband and was reading him some of your responses and he says now that I'm SINNING!?! He's telling me that anxiety is based off of worrying/fear and that's a sin. I told him it's a disease, I have a Chemical Imbalance and he said that, that is just something I WANT to believe from these so called "Doctor's" that most of the time are just there to tell you these things to put you on meds. so you keep coming back for more and they make more money. We went back and forth on it and I just hung up on him because I seen it was not going to go anywhere trying to make him understand that I need this medicine. I actually think that this is going to end our marriage, as we have been seperated for two weeks because of me taking the medicine. And I agree that this is a form of abuse and that he is just trying to control me.

[bluejay_04]

Oh and as far as it goes for my son, he does allow immunizations but is VERY hesitant on giving him medicine. Just about a month ago my son caught a VERY bad stomach virus and he ran a fever and my husband wouldn't allow me to take him to the doctor. He did let me give him tylenol to reduce his fever twice and finally after 3 days of my son throwing up and etc. he actually bought him some mylanta chewables. After the fifth day of this, I finally took him to the ER, just to make sure everything was ok, and my husband was NOT happy that I did that. I don't know what his problem is on this!

[moonglow]

Oh and as far as it goes for my son, he does allow immunizations but is VERY hesitant on giving him medicine. Just about a month ago my son caught a VERY bad stomach virus and he ran a fever and my husband wouldn't allow me to take him to the doctor. He did let me give him tylenol to reduce his fever twice and finally after 3 days of my son throwing up and etc. he actually bought him some mylanta chewables. After the fifth day of this, I finally took him to the ER, just to make sure everything was ok, and my husband was NOT happy that I did that. I don't know what his problem is on this!

Oh dear...you know babies can get severely dehydrated in just a few hours time and end up in critical condition. Please don't ever wait this long to get him to the ER again! Do you realize if he had died, or ended up in serious condition both of you would be charged with child neglect...child endangerment and end up in prison? For your son's safety you may need to stay separated from your husband...hate to say that. By the way you cannot 'speak' an illness on yourself or others. If I were you I would NOT tell him anything else we are telling you on here. For your own safety. I would however tell him you both can be charged with neglect and have your son taken away if he is not taken to the doctor when sick...I would talk to the pastor about this too ...I would be surprised if he even takes things that far. Then maybe he can talk to your husband about it.

There was a thing in the news not that long ago about a family charged for allowing their daughter to die a horrible death from some simple treatable illnesses because the refused to take her to the doctor..saying she was in God's hands...He would heal her. God put doctors here for a reason...to try to force Him to heal someone just isn't right...

[FaithfulSheep]

I want to emphasize what Moonglow said here.

Its extremely dangerous to suddenly stop taking certain medication....and this falls into that category. You have to be weaned off under a doctor's supervision. You could have serious withdrawals.

She is absolutly right. Stopping any kind of anxiety/depression meds should be done under a doctor's recommendation and supervision.

Just because you take medication doesn't mean that you are lacking faith. I trust in the Lord for everything and love Him above all else, but I still seem to need medicine, and will continue to unless He takes that burden away. Sometimes the Lord blesses us by taking some burdens away, and other times, keep such things and praise the Lord through it all.

[apothanein kerdos]

Anxiety is fear about what could happen or about what will happen.

If this is wrong and sinful, does this mean that Jesus sinned in the Garden?

[NHL Fever]

Oh and as far as it goes for my son, he does allow immunizations but is VERY hesitant on giving him medicine. Just about a month ago my son caught a VERY bad stomach virus and he ran a fever and my husband wouldn't allow me to take him to the doctor. He did let me give him tylenol to reduce his fever twice and finally after 3 days of my son throwing up and etc. he actually bought him some mylanta chewables. After the fifth day of this, I finally took him to the ER, just to make sure everything was ok, and my husband was NOT happy that I did that. I don't know what his problem is on this!

Nobody but you and God can know what the cause of your anxiety is, but I would remark that if your husband is mad that you took your son to the emergency that does not sound very reasonable. He's 26 years old, sometimes one is still just trying to sort oneself out at that age, but the more immediate concern is your or your son's health.

Some of those meds can be very helpful, however while they are commonly used, please be aware its quite uncommon for them to be stopped. Most of the time the person needs to continue taking them for a long time. Do not stop them suddenly, as that can be quite dangerous. Your husband, much as he may dislike them must realize that even if your condition is, for the sake of argument, imaginary, the effects of going cold turkey off xanax are not.

[bluejay_04]

Nobody but you and God can know what the cause of your anxiety is, but I would remark that if your husband is mad that you took your son to the emergency that does not sound very reasonable. He's 26 years old, sometimes one is still just trying to sort oneself out at that age, but the more immediate concern is your or your son's health.

Some of those meds can be very helpful, however while they are commonly used, please be aware its quite uncommon for them to be stopped. Most of the time the person needs to continue taking them for a long time. Do not stop them suddenly, as that can be quite dangerous. Your husband, much as he may dislike them must realize that even if your condition is, for the sake of argument, imaginary, the effects of going cold turkey off xanax are not.

He believes that nothing bad nor fatal will happen to me by quitting them cold turkey. He does believe I have a problem (even my parent's explained to him how my childhood was living with this) but he think's God WILL NOT let anything bad happen so quitting cold turkey is something he demands me to do and refuses to be with someone that has to "depend" on medication like me.

[*Hope*]

We go to a Word of Faith church and I've never heard my pastor say anything against medicine.

Word of Faith has some very dangerous and unbiblical teaching. Even if they don't preach against medicine, there is the underlying message that "faith" is all you need. It's the typical "name it claim it" belief system that treats God like a genie in a bottle who is here to serve us (keep us healthy, wealthy, etc). But that's a whole other topic. I could tell from your post that your husband has bought into that system, but I was hoping he wasn't like that....

I actually just got off the phone with my husband and was reading him some of your responses and he says now that I'm SINNING!?! He's telling me that anxiety is based off of worrying/fear and that's a sin. I told him it's a disease, I have a Chemical Imbalance and he said that, that is just something I WANT to believe from these so called "Doctor's" that most of the time are just there to tell you these things to put you on meds. so you keep coming back for more and they make more money. We went back and forth on it and I just hung up on him because I seen it was not going to go anywhere trying to make him understand that I need this medicine.

What did he say when you asked him about diabetics? Or epilepsy? Would he deny you medical care if you had those conditions also? If yes, then you need to get away from this man as soon as possible. This is VERY dangerous teaching that could end up costing you your life.

I actually think that this is going to end our marriage, as we have been seperated for two weeks because of me taking the medicine. And I agree that this is a form of abuse and that he is just trying to control me.

I very very rarely advise someone to leave their spouse, but in your case, I think it's necessary for the well being of yourself and your child. If he got upset that you took him to the ER and reluctantly allowed you to give him Tylenol, you have a serious problem. What if your child develops a chronic illness such as asthma? Or even allergies? Those can be mild, but left untreated could be deadly. If your husband is unwilling to seek some godly counsel (outside of the Word of Faith church), then you're going to have to make a choice. Please don't wait until it's too late...

[bluejay_04]

Word of Faith has some very dangerous and unbiblical teaching. Even if they don't preach against medicine, there is the underlying message that "faith" is all you need. It's the typical "name it claim it" belief system that treats God like a genie in a bottle who is here to serve us (keep us healthy, wealthy, etc). But that's a whole other topic. I could tell from your post that your husband has bought into that system, but I was hoping he wasn't like that....




What did he say when you asked him about diabetics? Or epilepsy? Would he deny you medical care if you had those conditions also? If yes, then you need to get away from this man as soon as possible. This is VERY dangerous teaching that could end up costing you your life.



I very very rarely advise someone to leave their spouse, but in your case, I think it's necessary for the well being of yourself and your child. If he got upset that you took him to the ER and reluctantly allowed you to give him Tylenol, you have a serious problem. What if your child develops a chronic illness such as asthma? Or even allergies? Those can be mild, but left untreated could be deadly. If your husband is unwilling to seek some godly counsel (outside of the Word of Faith church), then you're going to have to make a choice. Please don't wait until it's too late...

Hope....he refuses to seek ANY advice (counsling) from any other source than our church. When I brought up the diabeties and etc., he said that those are ACTUALLY diseases that do call for medical help but can also be healed by God, but in MY case it's not a disease and I'm just sinning by worrying.

You know after he told me that he can't be with someone that takes "drugs" on a regular basis, I just feel like I can't be with someone who doesn't even want to TRY to understand me, and would rather me suffer and take the CHANCE of something REALLY bad happening to me than to accept it and help me thru it as a husband should.

[bluejay_04]

@Hope....I might be wrong about our church being a Word of Faith church. Here's a link to my pastor's website if you'd like to check it out to get more of an insight of my church's beliefs

http://www.daveroberson.org/index.aspx

[moonglow]

@Hope....I might be wrong about our church being a Word of Faith church. Here's a link to my pastor's website if you'd like to check it out to get more of an insight of my church's beliefs

http://www.daveroberson.org/index.aspx

bluejay did you read my post above? About how you and your husband could be charged with child neglect if you don't take your son in for medical care when needed? I hope that post wasn't overlooked. As I would hate to see you lose your son and end up in jail just because your husband thinks when he is sick he shouldn't get medical treatment. That would be so horrible.


Also I don't know if your church is Word of Faith or not but I did see some things to be concerned about on their statement of faith:

Healing. Jesus took all of our sickness, disease, and infirmities into His own body on the cross so that we would not have to bear them. A believer can access the grace of God through faith for healing, receive divine health for his or her own body, and believe for the healing of others as well. (I Peter 2:24; Mark 16:17-18)

I wonder what people are told if they aren't healed? I have heard usually they are told they lack faith if they aren't and have heard of people nearly dying because they gave up their medication trusting this faith healing worked. I would be concerned...

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit. There is a second work of grace, after a person is born again, in which the Holy Spirit pours Himself into the born-again person′s spirit. It is the infilling of the Holy Spirit that brings the power of God to a believer. (Acts 2:38, 10:44-46, 19:2; Galatians 5:16-26)
The Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is a gift of God that should be earnestly sought after as evidence of the infilling of the Holy Spirit. This supernatural prayer language is what propels a believer into a greater walk of fellowship with God and a greater walk of victory. (Acts 1:8, 2:4; 10:44-46; 19:2, 6; Galatians 5:16-26)

This is very concerning too...people are pressured into faking tongues so the other members won't think they aren't saved. The bible tells us the Holy Spirit gives us all different gifts...we aren't all suppose to have the gift of tongues...

I would try to find out if they are against medical care. I mean your husband is not making sense...saying well diabetes is a real disease so a person can get treatment...but what about when your son has the stomach flu? That is a real illness yet he didn't want you to get him medical care for it.

I am sorry he is not loving you as the bible says a husband should do...the bible also says God won't hear the prayers of the husbands that aren't loving their wives as they should.

He knew you were on this medication before you got married, right? Did you know before hand he was going to expect you to get off of it?

The thing that I guess gets me the most is him coming off so self righteous when you said you just got married last month? right? And you have a baby already... maybe that is why you guys married in the first place? You don't have to answer any of that. We all mess up...none of us on here are perfect. Its just he was part of making that baby before marriage and he knows what the bible says about that...so why come off now as if he is so sinless? I wonder if he is taking his feeling of guilt for that sin out on you...thinking if he makes you perfect (which he isn't), that will somehow make things right? who knows.

I am truly sorry you are going through all of this. Personally I think you need to stay separated and in prayer...(not divorced) sometimes long separation is needed for God to work in a couples life and I think you should avoid this church too, find something that doesn't teach getting medical care is wrong for starters...most churches don't teach that anyway.

God bless

[bluejay_04]

bluejay did you read my post above? About how you and your husband could be charged with child neglect if you don't take your son in for medical care when needed? I hope that post wasn't overlooked. As I would hate to see you lose your son and end up in jail just because your husband thinks when he is sick he shouldn't get medical treatment. That would be so horrible.


Also I don't know if your church is Word of Faith or not but I did see some things to be concerned about on their statement of faith:

Healing. Jesus took all of our sickness, disease, and infirmities into His own body on the cross so that we would not have to bear them. A believer can access the grace of God through faith for healing, receive divine health for his or her own body, and believe for the healing of others as well. (I Peter 2:24; Mark 16:17-18)

I wonder what people are told if they aren't healed? I have heard usually they are told they lack faith if they aren't and have heard of people nearly dying because they gave up their medication trusting this faith healing worked. I would be concerned...

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit. There is a second work of grace, after a person is born again, in which the Holy Spirit pours Himself into the born-again person′s spirit. It is the infilling of the Holy Spirit that brings the power of God to a believer. (Acts 2:38, 10:44-46, 19:2; Galatians 5:16-26)
The Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is a gift of God that should be earnestly sought after as evidence of the infilling of the Holy Spirit. This supernatural prayer language is what propels a believer into a greater walk of fellowship with God and a greater walk of victory. (Acts 1:8, 2:4; 10:44-46; 19:2, 6; Galatians 5:16-26)

This is very concerning too...people are pressured into faking tongues so the other members won't think they aren't saved. The bible tells us the Holy Spirit gives us all different gifts...we aren't all suppose to have the gift of tongues...

I would try to find out if they are against medical care. I mean your husband is not making sense...saying well diabetes is a real disease so a person can get treatment...but what about when your son has the stomach flu? That is a real illness yet he didn't want you to get him medical care for it.

I am sorry he is not loving you as the bible says a husband should do...the bible also says God won't hear the prayers of the husbands that aren't loving their wives as they should.

He knew you were on this medication before you got married, right? Did you know before hand he was going to expect you to get off of it?

The thing that I guess gets me the most is him coming off so self righteous when you said you just got married last month? right? And you have a baby already... maybe that is why you guys married in the first place? You don't have to answer any of that. We all mess up...none of us on here are perfect. Its just he was part of making that baby before marriage and he knows what the bible says about that...so why come off now as if he is so sinless? I wonder if he is taking his feeling of guilt for that sin out on you...thinking if he makes you perfect (which he isn't), that will somehow make things right? who knows.

I am truly sorry you are going through all of this. Personally I think you need to stay separated and in prayer...(not divorced) sometimes long separation is needed for God to work in a couples life and I think you should avoid this church too, find something that doesn't teach getting medical care is wrong for starters...most churches don't teach that anyway.

God bless

No I did not overlook what you stated about being imprisoned for my son dying over a treatable illness. I did everything I could at home with him, I made sure he was drinking ALOT of fluids so he wouldn't dehydrate. Actually, when I took him to the ER, the doctor told me that we've done a good job at keeping him hydrated and to just keep doing what we were doing. But I do see what you are saying and I agree completely...I was just trying to follow my husbands orders in a sense and be a good wife. But with that said, that will NEVER happen again!

Now as far as my church's beliefs in God healing, I do believe he can heal with your faith, I mean it's stated in the scriptures. But some people's faith are not at the level to where they can be healed, so I see it necessary to seek medical help until then.

On the speaking in tongues thing, I do believe this to be true as well. Can you please show me a scripture stating that this gift is not for everyone?

I really appreciate your concerns and advice. I'm glad you checked out the website because I DO want to make sure I'm attending the right church.

God Bless

~Nichole~

[bluejay_04]

I forgot to let you know that my son is not his. Although he has been raising him since he was 8 months old. But when I first met him, he was battling with getting out of the wordly things and was into alot of sinful things. As we did live together pretty much the whole time we were together.

[apothanein kerdos]

Bluejay,

It doesn't say we'll all be healed, even by our faith. Some people endure through disease, but in their disease they serve like a lightning rod for God's grace. I have see people whither away and die, but in the process lead multitudes to the Lord through the grace they displayed while dying.

As for tongues, not all the gifts are given to all the people. Paul makes it clear that each gift is to help the body in its specific way - if we had all the gifts, then there'd be no purpose for a body of Christ.

I could go into Scripture on a lot of this, but here's a song I want you to think about. The point I'm making; whether we die by disease or by some other means, isn't death the ultimate cure for a christian?

i write clever words on paper
i sometimes think i dont belive at all
ive never felt so fake
so false
im such a liar
i couldnt even look him in the eyes
he was 25 like i was
but he was deaf and slowly going blind
he made my faith seem worthless
the things i hoped were pointless
and he fought to stay but
always dreamed that he could leave this place

the angels wings will cover you tonight
hallelujah
press your head
against the breast of christ
hallelujah

It made me feel so empty
collapsing on some dirty bathroom floor
and isn't it just like me to mourn his passing breath
when he will never suffer anymore
beautiful his pictures
fading black and silver
and i sing of faith but his was true and fierce
and i will miss him

the angels wings will cover you tonight
hallelujah
press your head against the breast of christ
hallelujah
the angels wings will cover you tonight
hallelujah
press your head against the breast of christ
hallelujah

[mcgyver]

I've got to ask you:

Have you addressed any of these concerns with your pastor?