What does this mean to you?

[Christian_lady]

It's funny, I asked God a question and it seems He keeps pointing the answer to the death of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection.

I would like to keep the question private.

The verse it seems He is suggesting is 2 Corinthians 4:10
We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.

Just wondering what your thoughts on this verse is, so I can perhaps get others' views on this verse.

To me, it means you daily, constantly put your sins on the cross and watch them be transformed to righteousness.

CL

[Bladers]

It's funny, I asked God a question and it seems He keeps pointing the answer to the death of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection.

I would like to keep the question private.

The verse it seems He is suggesting is 2 Corinthians 4:10
We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.

Just wondering what your thoughts on this verse is, so I can perhaps get others' views on this verse.

To me, it means you daily, constantly put your sins on the cross and watch them be transformed to righteousness.

CL

Christian_lady, Its The Cross. Its nothing but The Cross.
Death to self, a daily crucifixion of the flesh.

[matthew7and1]

Not coaxing you to tell us your private question:
I'd like to say that I believe that just one verse can have a different application base on the question and situation.

from this I get a few things:
Could be that you have to make the effort

Death to self, a daily crucifixion of the flesh.

(good one)

Could be that you are feeling guilty and that God is saying that once you repent in you heart and with your mouth, that is all you need to do because Jesus did the "work". And that you should leave you guilt at the cross.

Could be that the message is for you to focus on the Jesus in you so that you can be a light of God for others to see.

Could be that you are looking for ways to outwardly carry Jesus sacrafice and are missing the revelation part or vice versa, you are looking for the revelation but not focusing on the cross.

Could be a comforting verse that says: I am in your heart! My sacrafice, my love and all that I have created you to become is already there inside of you waiting to blossom, just waiting for you to recognize me.

It could be that you, yourself in one way or another are being "laid to the cross" and this is a reminder that you have the victory in Christ who is revealed the strongest in your own weakest monents.

I could probably keep on going but I think I made my point. Hope at least one of these were a help!

[Christian_lady]

Not coaxing you to tell us your private question:
I'd like to say that I believe that just one verse can have a different application base on the question and situation.

from this I get a few things:
Could be that you have to make the effort
(good one)

Could be that you are feeling guilty and that God is saying that once you repent in you heart and with your mouth, that is all you need to do because Jesus did the "work". And that you should leave you guilt at the cross.

Could be that the message is for you to focus on the Jesus in you so that you can be a light of God for others to see.

Could be that you are looking for ways to outwardly carry Jesus sacrafice and are missing the revelation part or vice versa, you are looking for the revelation but not focusing on the cross.

Could be a comforting verse that says: I am in your heart! My sacrafice, my love and all that I have created you to become is already there inside of you waiting to blossom, just waiting for you to recognize me.

It could be that you, yourself in one way or another are being "laid to the cross" and this is a reminder that you have the victory in Christ who is revealed the strongest in your own weakest monents.

I could probably keep on going but I think I made my point. Hope at least one of these were a help!

Yes indeed, thank you for EXPANDING.
Looking forward to more posts.

[Lars777]

It's funny, I asked God a question and it seems He keeps pointing the answer to the death of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection.

I would like to keep the question private.

The verse it seems He is suggesting is 2 Corinthians 4:10
We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.

Just wondering what your thoughts on this verse is, so I can perhaps get others' views on this verse.

To me, it means you daily, constantly put your sins on the cross and watch them be transformed to righteousness.

CL

...always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. (2 Corinthians 4:10 )

Notice that the "life of Jesus" always rests upon the "death of Jesus." We must have, in our experience, the "death of Jesus" in order to have the "life of Jesus."

For while we live we are always being given up to death for Jesus' sake, so that [in order that] the life of Jesus may he manifested in our mortal flesh. (2 Corinthians 4:11 )




What we want, of course, is the "life of Jesus;" every one of us wants to be like him. But the power of God is the miracle of others seeing in us, in the midst of our pressures and trials, the character and the life of Jesus coming out.


How do you get it? Well, here is the way. The secret, Paul says, is our consent to sharing the dying of Jesus, "always carrying in the body the dying of Jesus, in order that the life of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh."

What does he mean by the "dying of Jesus"? You know he does not mean that we have to go out and get ourselves nailed to a cross. But that cross is a symbol of something very real in our experience.

What was Jesus like on the cross? He was not powerful, and impressive, and significant; he was not being applauded by the multitudes who listened to his every word. No The cross was a place of physical weakness, of rejection by the proud and arrogant world around him.

It was a place of obscurity, a place where he was willing to lose everything he had built and trust God to bring it back and make it significant. That is what we are talking about.

Are you willing to give up all the things that make you look important to other people, to take the place of obscurity, if necessary, trusting God to use it however he will?

That is the "dying of Jesus." Today we are being assaulted on every side by the cult of the human potential. Groups like Est, Transactional Analysis, Transcendental Meditation, and others are saying you need to find some hidden resources in yourself that you can count on.

You must develop these resources, and then you will find yourself growing in confidence and ability to handle life. You can be at the top of the heap if you will send in $250 and spend a weekend with them.

People on every side are believing that. And it appears to work. That is the problem. Many of them do find a new source of confidence, a new ability to function, to make a far greater impression on others, but it all comes out at this point: The measure of their success is the degree to which they are recognized by someone else.

These blatant cults now proclaim this around us, as do the Christianized versions of them that take the words of Scripture and the songs and hymns of Christians, and glaze them over and present them as a "Christian" way of doing this.

But it is still the same old thing, coming out to the glory of the individual, and calling on him to rely upon his own natural resources and abilities to succeed.

But the Christian gospel cuts right across all that. That is the very thing that the "cross" says has to die. We have come to the end of our dependence on ourselves and rest upon the willingness of God to be at work in us, without any flash or demonstration, but in loving, quiet ways to change our whole character until it is like Jesus in the midst of rejection and lack of recognition. Are you willing to do that? If so, you can have the "life of Jesus."

Here is where we struggle, isn't it? We want the power of God, but we want to get credit for it too.

If God does anything through us, we want to be sure we get a write up in Christianity Today. If anything happens in our midst, in our home, or in our family, we want it to be known that we spent a lot of hours in prayer over it, that we had counseled so-and-so in such-and-such a helpful way.

We want to move in and get the credit every time.

We want the "life of Jesus," but we also want the satisfaction of our own flesh. We want to be serene of spirit and gentle and compassionate of heart, but we also want the joy of telling people off when they are out of line.

That is a great pleasure, isn't it? Isn't it amazing how we want to be free from anxiety, to have an untroubled, serene spirit about the future, but at the same time insist on the pleasure of worrying?

We enjoy worrying; we feel so much more fulfilled if we have worried awhile, that we have done our share at least. We sometimes say to people, "If I don't worry, who will?" as though somebody has to worry or nothing is accomplished rightly.

[Sam07]

Hi everyone,

There is a corresponding scripture that is also referenced in my bible under your verse 2 Corinthians 4:10 which is Philippians 3:10

I love this verse because after Paul the apostle is knocked off his horse blinded and taken to Damascus he receives his sight is converted he then begins to share the good news with people and is mocked persecuted jailed beaten and even his life has been marked for death because of Gods mighty anointing and conviction upon him.

All these things and more happen to him and he endures continued affliction as he develops an intimate relationship with God and as he under goes hardship and sacrifice then he simply says in Philippians.

That I may know him and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his sufferings being made comfortable unto his death. KJV Philippians 3:10.

That he may become like Jesus and understand the purpose of the resurrection and be counted worthy to suffer for Gods name sake and burying his old man unto Jesus death and arising a new creature in Christ Jesus that he might fulfill his calling and glorify God.

What an effective witness for Jesus.

Peace

Sam

[Christian_lady]

...always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. (2 Corinthians 4:10 )

Notice that the "life of Jesus" always rests upon the "death of Jesus." We must have, in our experience, the "death of Jesus" in order to have the "life of Jesus."

For while we live we are always being given up to death for Jesus' sake, so that [in order that] the life of Jesus may he manifested in our mortal flesh. (2 Corinthians 4:11 )




What we want, of course, is the "life of Jesus;" every one of us wants to be like him. But the power of God is the miracle of others seeing in us, in the midst of our pressures and trials, the character and the life of Jesus coming out.


How do you get it? Well, here is the way. The secret, Paul says, is our consent to sharing the dying of Jesus, "always carrying in the body the dying of Jesus, in order that the life of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh."

What does he mean by the "dying of Jesus"? You know he does not mean that we have to go out and get ourselves nailed to a cross. But that cross is a symbol of something very real in our experience.

What was Jesus like on the cross? He was not powerful, and impressive, and significant; he was not being applauded by the multitudes who listened to his every word. No The cross was a place of physical weakness, of rejection by the proud and arrogant world around him.

It was a place of obscurity, a place where he was willing to lose everything he had built and trust God to bring it back and make it significant. That is what we are talking about.

Are you willing to give up all the things that make you look important to other people, to take the place of obscurity, if necessary, trusting God to use it however he will?

That is the "dying of Jesus." Today we are being assaulted on every side by the cult of the human potential. Groups like Est, Transactional Analysis, Transcendental Meditation, and others are saying you need to find some hidden resources in yourself that you can count on.

You must develop these resources, and then you will find yourself growing in confidence and ability to handle life. You can be at the top of the heap if you will send in $250 and spend a weekend with them.

People on every side are believing that. And it appears to work. That is the problem. Many of them do find a new source of confidence, a new ability to function, to make a far greater impression on others, but it all comes out at this point: The measure of their success is the degree to which they are recognized by someone else.

These blatant cults now proclaim this around us, as do the Christianized versions of them that take the words of Scripture and the songs and hymns of Christians, and glaze them over and present them as a "Christian" way of doing this.

But it is still the same old thing, coming out to the glory of the individual, and calling on him to rely upon his own natural resources and abilities to succeed.

But the Christian gospel cuts right across all that. That is the very thing that the "cross" says has to die. We have come to the end of our dependence on ourselves and rest upon the willingness of God to be at work in us, without any flash or demonstration, but in loving, quiet ways to change our whole character until it is like Jesus in the midst of rejection and lack of recognition. Are you willing to do that? If so, you can have the "life of Jesus."

Here is where we struggle, isn't it? We want the power of God, but we want to get credit for it too.

If God does anything through us, we want to be sure we get a write up in Christianity Today. If anything happens in our midst, in our home, or in our family, we want it to be known that we spent a lot of hours in prayer over it, that we had counseled so-and-so in such-and-such a helpful way.

We want to move in and get the credit every time.

We want the "life of Jesus," but we also want the satisfaction of our own flesh. We want to be serene of spirit and gentle and compassionate of heart, but we also want the joy of telling people off when they are out of line.

That is a great pleasure, isn't it? Isn't it amazing how we want to be free from anxiety, to have an untroubled, serene spirit about the future, but at the same time insist on the pleasure of worrying?

We enjoy worrying; we feel so much more fulfilled if we have worried awhile, that we have done our share at least. We sometimes say to people, "If I don't worry, who will?" as though somebody has to worry or nothing is accomplished rightly.

I enjoyed reading this very much, it gave me an added perspective of the cross.

CL

[brakelite]

2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

The above is as the KJV has it, the dying of the Lord Jesus. John the Baptist testified, "I must decrease, while He must increase." That must also be our testimony. Jesus was dead to self His entire life, that the works of the Father might be manifest in Him.It was His Father's working through the Son that was the blessing and healing to all.
He focused His entire life upon the needs of others, ignoring totally His own needs in deference to His love for His fellow man. The dying to self was the way Jesus lived. And Paul followed suit, and admonishes us to do the same.

Ga 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Dying to self is mandatory if we are to live the life of Christ, and be transformed into His image. Dying to self, as Paul says, is a daily experience. Starving self of all input that would keep it alive, and feeding the spirit that Christ might live. "for without Me ye can do nothing".