Osas?-moved from ETC

**c7_black** · May 4th 2009, 08:56 PM

I'm new to this, but I'm confused! I've read alot of threads and alot of you talk about OSAS? What is that or what does that stand for?

**ingegneriae** · May 4th 2009, 08:58 PM

Once Saved, Always Saved.

***Cyberseeker*** · May 4th 2009, 09:49 PM

The opposite to OSAS is 'Saved Now Out Tomorrow.' (SNOT)

**David Taylor** · May 4th 2009, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by c7_black

I'm new to this, but I'm confused! I've read alot of threads and alot of you talk about OSAS? What is that or what does that stand for?

Most folks fall into one of two camps.

Either they believe that once you are saved, you cannot fall away. (OSAS)
or that you can fall away once you've been saved. (not OSAS)

It gets in the the Calvin/Arminian discussions, and is a pretty hot-button of debate within Protestantism.

***My heart's Desire*** · May 6th 2009, 04:43 AM

My version is If Jesus Christ saved you He did
If Jesus Christ didn't save you He didn't.

***quiet dove*** · May 7th 2009, 12:53 AM

This is more of a Bible Chat topic so I am going to move it over there.

**Butch5** · May 7th 2009, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by c7_black

I'm new to this, but I'm confused! I've read alot of threads and alot of you talk about OSAS? What is that or what does that stand for?

It is a man made doctrine introduced into the Church by Martin Luther. Although he may not have originated it, he is the one who popularized it. It does not appear in Church history prior to about 1500 A.D.

***crossnote*** · May 7th 2009, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Cyberseeker

The opposite to OSAS is 'Saved Now Out Tomorrow.' (SNOT)

I thought the opposite was 'OSAID' or Once Saved Always In Doubt.

***crossnote*** · May 7th 2009, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Butch5

It is a man made doctrine introduced into the Church by Martin Luther. Although he may not have originated it, he is the one who popularized it. It does not appear in Church history prior to about 1500 A.D.

Oh pleeeze. Cite just one quote of Luther where he holds to OSAS. Unlike Calvin he believed that if a Christian ultimately turns from Christ and dies unbelieving then he would be lost.

**Watchmen** · May 7th 2009, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Butch5

It is a man made doctrine introduced into the Church by Martin Luther. Although he may not have originated it, he is the one who popularized it. It does not appear in Church history prior to about 1500 A.D.

This is the truth of the subject. OSAS teaches that once you ''get saved'' the you are eternally secure even if you continue to commit unrepentant chronic sin, living in rebellion to God and His word, walking the wide path that leads to destruction. It is absurd that it is accepted as a plausable belief in any church.

**kay-gee** · May 7th 2009, 11:43 AM

It is a very scary doctrine because it suggests that one can tip their hat to Christ and then live any old way they want. I believe millions will be lost on accout of tis heresy.

all the best...

Partaker of Christ · May 7th 2009, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by kay-gee

It is a very scary doctrine because it suggests that one can tip their hat to Christ and then live any old way they want. I believe millions will be lost on accout of tis heresy.

all the best...

It suggests nothing of the sort.

You will know them by their fruit.

Those who have Christ, are a new creation. If there is no new life, then they do not have Christ in them.

Anyone who wants to continue 'living' the "any old way they want" are not being led by the Spirit, and are none of His.

**Butch5** · May 9th 2009, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Partaker of Christ

It suggests nothing of the sort.

You will know them by their fruit.

Those who have Christ, are a new creation. If there is no new life, then they do not have Christ in them.

Anyone who wants to continue 'living' the "any old way they want" are not being led by the Spirit, and are none of His.

What then of the one who believes, bears much fruit for many years and then goes into chronic unrepentant sin?

**Butch5** · May 9th 2009, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by crossnote

Oh pleeeze. Cite just one quote of Luther where he holds to OSAS. Unlike Calvin he believed that if a Christian ultimately turns from Christ and dies unbelieving then he would be lost.

I stand corrected, I should have said it came in with the reformation as you are correct, Luther did "not" hold to OSAS, Calvin, however did.

**BroRog** · May 9th 2009, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by David Taylor

Most folks fall into one of two camps.

Either they believe that once you are saved, you cannot fall away. (OSAS)
or that you can fall away once you've been saved. (not OSAS)

It gets in the the Calvin/Arminian discussions, and is a pretty hot-button of debate within Protestantism.

I think there is a third camp. OSAS folks are not the same folks who believe in Perseverance of the Saints. OSAS teaches that once a person comes forward at church, confesses a belief in Jesus at that time, that person is saved no matter what they do the rest of their life. Calvinists don't believe that and neither do Arminians.

Edit: Edited to add that OSAS is otherwise known as "Free Grace" theology which is different than the Calvinist "Perseverance of the saints."