And after..... - Rev.

[vinsight4u8]

Is this book so easy and clear?
Is it for men who only study so dear?
Or did it await the last days to get known?
Is it hiding things that only in the end days can be shown?
Just when are those trumpets blown?
Rev. 7:1 takes a different tone,
than what the 6th seal ending had just shown.


Rev. 7:1
"And after these things I saw four angels..."

John is no longer in the time of the 6th seal opening, but has begun to see visions.
John watched visions between the end of the 6th seal opening and before the 7th seal was opened.


Rev. 8 - the seven angels
v17
"And thus I saw the horses in the vision..."

[Nihil Obstat]

Val,

The revelation of Jesus Christ isn't a mystery hidden from God's servants. The very word "revelation" means "unveiling". The prophecy is easy to understand for those who are intimate with Jesus (Rev. 1:1), the Word of God (19:13).

- Astro

[vinsight4u8]

Val,

The revelation of Jesus Christ isn't a mystery hidden from God's servants. The very word "revelation" means "unveiling". The prophecy is easy to understand for those who are intimate with Jesus (Rev. 1:1), the Word of God (19:13).

- Astro

Rev. 10:7
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

mystery of God

Strong's
3466 musterion (moos-tay'-ree-on);
from a derivative of muo (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):
KJV-- mystery.

Thayer's
3466 musterion-
1) hidden thing, secret, mystery
a) generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals
b) a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding
c) a hidden purpose or counsel; secret will:
1) of men
2) of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men but plain to the godly
2) in rabbinic writings, it denotes the mystic or hidden sense: of an Old Testament saying, of an image or form seen in a vision, of a dream

-------------------------Rev. 10:7

The mystery will be finished - when the 7th trumpet begins.

as - in the manner
in the way that the prophets have foretold

The prophets have foretold it to be finished in this manner.
EARLY

God will call back - as in repent of the some of the evil that was to come upon Israel in the end days.

Deuteronomy 32:36
"...repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone..."


This is much different than the time of the seven vials -

Rev. 16:17
"...It is done."


What I think happened is that the book is divided into parts.

sealed book
visions
at the end a book that John ate -

Rev. 22:10
"...Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

But the trumpet vision part was not at hand.
- so it is a mystery - hidden - not obvious

If Rev. 11:19b was not setting up a signal for the seven angels to do a job for God - it would have shown that signal elsewhere and here it would have - It is done.

The prophecy verse must be given first that lets us know how long the set of plagues will last.

Rev. 8:5- reveals till the time of an earthquake
- but then later, we find that this section will be finished early - so some of it was sealed back up - and we learn the two witnesses will rise after not a woe - but a party hardy time of the wicked.

2nd woe - 6th trumpet

that woe ends
men don't repent

party hardy time


after 3 and 1/2 days
third woe
the great earthquake hour
(the resurrection hour foretold by the angel that spoke this message part to John - as to placing the time of the rising of the two witnesses in the same hour as the earthquake.

The angel didn't shove all of these parts together - the angel said>

"And the same hour was there a great earthquake...the remnant gave glory to the God of heaven."
(where the angel told John about the third woe)
>
then lets him know that the next angel - the 7th one - must sound to bring that earthquake hour to pass.

v14
"...the third woe cometh quickly."
(as in the hour of the quake - when men give glory to the God of heaven)

[vinsight4u8]

Consider please this too >

INCENSE TIME

Rev. 8 is where incense begins.


What does the Bible reveal to us about that action in the temple?

It means the men are outside of it - praying.


ok - then what happens with the men at the end of Rev. 7?


Then think about the words at the end of Rev. 15.

"...no man was able to enter..."


Rev. 7
v15
"...they...in his temple..."

[Nihil Obstat]

I can't follow what you say. It'd be helpful if you wrote in complete sentences and paragraphs. Maybe you could clarify? Thanks.

[vinsight4u8]

I can't follow what you say. It'd be helpful if you wrote in complete sentences and paragraphs. Maybe you could clarify? Thanks.

I believe the book is set as clear for chapters 1-3 and 16-22 - as in they are not sealed up (jumbled as to their order. The resaon for that play by play -verse links to verse order is because the time was then at hand.
>as in - part of that prophecy was linked to the days of John.

Rev. 10:11
"...Thou must prophesy again..."

Rev. 11 ends with our link to get back to Rev. 16 - and then things flow rather smoothly - clear till we get >

Rev. 22:10
"And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."


Rev. 17:10
"And there are seven kings...one is..."
This is to be set in the days of John.
The one king of the seven kings lived during the days of John.

Rev. 1:3
"...for the time is at hand."

Rev. 10:7
"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished..."
/Some try to say this means all of Revelation is finished. - But is the 7th angel sounding during the vials = during the time of the new heaven and new earth?

When the trumpet time ends - so too will end the time of the jumbled up message found in part of Revelation.

Revelation is not easy. It is just end-days prophecy being revealed - but it is done in a you must study it out - use the OT - even to figure it out kind of way.

In Rev. 15 - the seven angels leave the temple in heaven. What for? They even go back to heaven? Why?
Well, Rev. 7 shows another angel - as part of a "we" group of angels will seal the 144,000.

These angels in Rev. 15 that leave the temple - have girdles - whcih means pockets. John has been taken to the time of learning about the first set of seven plagues - and how unless they are over - men cannot go into the temple.
So the next time he tells us about them - he will begin with what he last saw them doing.
Rev. 8 - shows us that he jots down about a vision of seeing smoke in the temple/ incense time.

Luke 1:9
"According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense..."
1:10
"And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense."

[Nihil Obstat]

Please don't mistake this for rudeness - I'm not being mean in saying this - but you are nearly impossible to understand. Is English your native language? My guess is that hardly anyone responds to your many posts because we can't follow what you're saying. Maybe if you changed how you write, your posts wouldn't be so cryptic. No one here has the time to decipher whatever it is that you're typing. I think that if you wrote in full sentences, then you'd find many more people responding to your posts. You're clearly well versed in the content of Scripture, so it'd be helpful to others if you made yourself more available through better clarity.

I believe the book is set as clear for chapters 1-3 and 16-22 - as in they are not sealed up (jumbled as to their order.

When the trumpet time ends - so too will end the time of the jumbled up message found in part of Revelation.

So you believe "sealed up" means "jumbled up"? Where do you come up with that? The last prophecy in Daniel (ch.10-12) was "sealed up", but it was so amazingly accurate and in order that skeptics believe it was written after the fact!

Revelation is not easy. It is just end-days prophecy being revealed - but it is done in a you must study it out - use the OT - even to figure it out kind of way.

No; Revelation IS easy. By saying it's hard to understand completely disagrees with the very first verse of the very first chapter, which says that those who intimately know Jesus (as shown in ch.1-3) will understand the following prophecy (given in ch.4-22).

If you are called by God to make the prophecy in Revelation known to all who would hear you, then stop saying this is a difficult prophecy to understand. What it does (not purposefully, but nonetheless) is it makes YOU the one people have to come to in order to understand it (when it is Jesus we need to be pointing people to). So, drop the whole "Revelation is mixed up and only I have the key" thing (because you're incorrect anyway), and instead give yourself to making known Jesus (by encountering Him and emulating Him) as found in the first three chapters of Revelation.

Now, of course we must study the word to fully understand this prophecy (and Jesus IS the word; Rev. 19:13). HOWEVER, to simply heap up knowledge about end-times won't ensure anyone's salvation. You talk about Nebuchadnezzar a lot, so I'm positive that you're aware that after his terrifying dream about the last days (ch.2), he STILL built an idol to a false god and ordered all to worship it (ch.3), right?

To get caught up in the "what" of a prophecy without familiarizing yourself with the "who" and the "why" of it can still lead people to idolatry. With such a calling as yours, major on Jesus, and minor on everything else.

- Your brother in Christ, astrongerthanhe

[vinsight4u8]

The ark was seen in Rev. 11:19 - so need to open the ark area as John wrote about in Rev. 15.

Rev. 15's opening time seems to come first.