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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    The gospel teaches us that the just shall live by faith, it is by faith that we receive Christ, the righteousness of God.

    Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


    Is there any other way to obtain the righteousness of God/Jesus?

    Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

    God bless you!


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    The verse in Romans 10 is referring to those who return to the law. They have turned from Christ back again to the law. That is how they are seeking their own righteousness, it has nothing to do with living righteously before God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butch5 View Post
    The verse in Romans 10 is referring to those who return to the law. They have turned from Christ back again to the law. That is how they are seeking their own righteousness, it has nothing to do with living righteously before God.
    Thanks butch,

    God bless you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerW View Post
    Greetings Firstfruits,

    The way in which we are declared to have received the righteousness of God is not by faith, but by grace THROUGH faith. Even faith is a gift of God's grace. We are regenerated (initially saved) by grace through the gift of faith, and we are being sanctified (continual salvation) by grace through the gift of faith, and we are finally glorified (completely saved; whole man) by grace through the gift of faith. The righteousness OF Christ, and the faith OF Christ imputed to us, working in and through us belongs to Him. Our responsibility is to yield ourselves, body, mind, heart, will etc as His servants of righteousness. We have been enabled to do this when we were born again of the Spirit. When we do not yield ourselves as servants of righteousness, then we are yielding ourselves to servants of unrighteousness. Will we be the slave of Satan and sin, or will we be the servants of the living God? When we yield ourselves as servants of righteousness we are the just who live by faith!

    Many Blessings,
    RW
    Which ever way you look at it, it is still by faith that we receive Christ. There is no other way that we can receive Jesus the righteousness of God.

    Faith is the key.

    God bless you!

    Firstfruits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butch5 View Post
    Well said my friend.
    Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God and nothing we do can change that. It is how we go about trying to earn Christ knowing that there is only one way, and that is by faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    Which ever way you look at it, it is still by faith that we receive Christ. There is no other way that we can receive Jesus the righteousness of God.

    Faith is the key.

    God bless you!

    Firstfruits
    Hi Firstfruits,

    I cannot agree. Faith is not the key to salvation. Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, for the glory of God alone! Unless we first receive grace from God in regeneration, we will never possess the faith we must have to believe. When you make faith the key to salvation, then you are denying that salvation is by grace. None of man, all of God. This is a very important point. When we begin to think that faith is the key to salvation, then we are in danger of beginning to think we must muster up faith to be saved. We think it is our faith that saves us. But when we understand we are saved by grace THROUGH faith that is NOT OUR OWN but the gift of God, then we understand salvation is the work of God in regeneration, sanctification, and glorification. Salvation...start to finish is of the Lord alone! Again, this is extremely important because God will not share His glory with another. The minute we forget that salvation is by grace of the Lord alone, then we have robbed God of glory that belongs to Him alone!

    Many Blessings,
    RW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God and nothing we do can change that. It is how we go about trying to earn Christ knowing that there is only one way, and that is by faith.

    Firstfruits
    Firstfruits,

    We cannot EARN Christ! We are saved by grace, but if we must earn salvation, it is no longer by grace, but debt. Would you say that our good works make God indebted to us? Of course you wouldn't! But that is exactly what you are saying when you say "we go about trying to earn Christ knowing that there is only one way, and that is by faith." You are implying that saving faith is a work we MUST do to be justified before God, when saving faith is a gift of God's grace. None of man all of the Lord!

    Many Blessings,
    RW

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    I agree 100% and Have been taught that is by Grace.. thru Faith that a person is Genuinely Saved...



    Its God's Gift... Jesus Christ the Righteous...

    you can't 'earn' Him... nor pay for the Gift.. nor work hard enough for God to somehow 'blink' and say.. you've earned Salvation...

    Its By God's Grace.. His Favor to you.. unmerited..

    He chooses You.. and Gives you the Faith to believe... you don't somehow one day.. decide I'm going to follow Christ... out of the blue...

    He Initiates the Salvation Process in Heaven and He Finishes it...

    He is the Author and Finisher..


    He Draws You to Him.. He Reveals Himself to you... He Saves...

    Salvation is all about God.. and the issues of It Belong to Him.. and Him Only..
    Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
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    Verily I say unto thee, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the Kingdom of Heaven before you do.
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    The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying. YEA, I have loved thee with an everlasting love; therefore with LOVINGKINDESS have I DRAWN THEE.
    Jeremiah 31:3

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    Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God and nothing we do can change that. It is how we go about trying to earn Christ knowing that there is only one way, and that is by faith.

    Firstfruits
    Faith cannot be disconnected from obedience when speaking of faith in Jesus and the NT.

    Rom. 10:
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
    16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

    The obedience to the faith is the purpose for "the faith" being made manifest to the world by Jesus.

    Rom. 1:
    5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
    6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

    Rom. 16:
    25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
    26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

    A 'gospel' not doing what Paul's gospel does, [it emphasizes the need of obedience by allowing his grace, granted by faith, to accomplish the actual and literal obedience through us,] is obviously not the same gospel.

    Scriptures will be used to claim that Paul contradicts the above scriptures, alleging that those above scriptures are being misinterpreted.

    In reality however, the scriptures allegedly contradicting the plain message in the above scriptures equating faith to obedience, are being twisted.

    The works of the flesh will do whatever it can to retain its freedom of expression and hence the acceptance of the evil gospel that does not make self denial (obedience) mandatory for discipleship.



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    From a different angle.....

    We do know that Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God, in us.... then that refers to the Holy Spirit, not so?.,,, and Him we can only have through faith in Christ.
    Fenris: "There are two ways to shoot an arrow into a bulls-eye You can shoot the arrow into the bulls-eye or you can shoot the arrow and paint the bulls-eye wherever it hits"

    Romans 12:19 Don't seek revenge ... give place to God's wrath. For it is written "Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord"

    Isa. 30:32
    And every blow of the rod of punishment, which the Lord will lay on him, will be with the music of tambourines and lyres; And in battles, brandishing weapons, He will fight them

    G_d was gracious He has shown favor

    What are you willing to die for? Now live for it!




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    Righteousness is simply "doing right". This is plainly shown in the scriptures that Paul quotes from the psalms in Romans 3.

    3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

    Now compare this wording to the Psalm that he is quoting from.

    Psalm 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    We cannot claim ourselves to be righteous beause we have accepted Christ and we are still dong wrong. Notice 1st John 3.

    I John
    3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerW View Post
    Hi Firstfruits,

    I cannot agree. Faith is not the key to salvation. Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, for the glory of God alone! Unless we first receive grace from God in regeneration, we will never possess the faith we must have to believe. When you make faith the key to salvation, then you are denying that salvation is by grace. None of man, all of God. This is a very important point. When we begin to think that faith is the key to salvation, then we are in danger of beginning to think we must muster up faith to be saved. We think it is our faith that saves us. But when we understand we are saved by grace THROUGH faith that is NOT OUR OWN but the gift of God, then we understand salvation is the work of God in regeneration, sanctification, and glorification. Salvation...start to finish is of the Lord alone! Again, this is extremely important because God will not share His glory with another. The minute we forget that salvation is by grace of the Lord alone, then we have robbed God of glory that belongs to Him alone!

    Many Blessings,
    RW
    The just shall live by faith so faith is the key.

    Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

    Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    Jn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

    Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

    Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

    Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

    Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

    There is no other way that we can accept Christ but by faith.

    What therefore do no you not agree with concerning believing/having faith in Christ?

    God bless you!

    Firstfruits

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    Quote Originally Posted by gophgetter View Post
    Righteousness is simply "doing right". This is plainly shown in the scriptures that Paul quotes from the psalms in Romans 3.

    3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

    Now compare this wording to the Psalm that he is quoting from.

    Psalm 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    We cannot claim ourselves to be righteous beause we have accepted Christ and we are still dong wrong. Notice 1st John 3.

    I John
    3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    In this instance we are talking about Jesus being the righteousness of God not of us doing righteousness and how he is accepted.

    Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    God bless you!

    Firstfruits

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    Quote Originally Posted by gophgetter View Post
    Righteousness is simply "doing right". This is plainly shown in the scriptures that Paul quotes from the psalms in Romans 3.

    3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

    Now compare this wording to the Psalm that he is quoting from.

    Psalm 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    We cannot claim ourselves to be righteous beause we have accepted Christ and we are still dong wrong. Notice 1st John 3.

    I John
    3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    Knowing that Jesus is the righteousness of God, is there any thing that we can do other than by faith, by which we can obtain Christ, the righteousness of God?

    God bless you!

    Firstfruits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ta-An View Post
    From a different angle.....

    We do know that Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God, in us.... then that refers to the Holy Spirit, not so?.,,, and Him we can only have through faith in Christ.
    With regards to the following scripture is the righteousness of God Jesus or the Holy Spirit?

    Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    Who is it that has been revealed?

    God bless you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    With regards to the following scripture is the righteousness of God Jesus or the Holy Spirit?

    Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    Who is it that has been revealed?

    God bless you!

    Firstfruits
    Well is the Holy Spirit not send to us as the 'other' comforter.... Jesus in us is the Holy Spirit ,,,not so
    Fenris: "There are two ways to shoot an arrow into a bulls-eye You can shoot the arrow into the bulls-eye or you can shoot the arrow and paint the bulls-eye wherever it hits"

    Romans 12:19 Don't seek revenge ... give place to God's wrath. For it is written "Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord"

    Isa. 30:32
    And every blow of the rod of punishment, which the Lord will lay on him, will be with the music of tambourines and lyres; And in battles, brandishing weapons, He will fight them

    G_d was gracious He has shown favor

    What are you willing to die for? Now live for it!




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