Just a thought for you insecure-salvation types...
If we can not trust Christ to KEEP OUR SALVATION THEN WHAT USE IS CHRIST!!???!!!
Why even bother trusting him?
If Christ can Not keep me, then It is UP to me??
THAT IS NOT SALVATION!!!!!!
Salvation is a birth of GOD... Not the will of MAN. ( john 1:13)
To state we have to keep our salvation thru some act.. makes it a will of man..
I will state this plainly..
( sorry Mods but Truth Is truth.. and we should love the truth and not shrink from it)
Salvation thru works is NOT salvation.
Salvation thru NOT SINNING is not salvation.
So If salvation is not THRU WORKS or NOT SINNING.. then why would SALVATION BE kept thru works and NOT SINNING??
If those are not good enough to GAIN salvation then FOR SURE it is not good enough to KEEP salvation...
Biblically it is ARROGANCE to think we have a hand in our own salvation.
The sin of arrogance is not a method for salvation.
The sin of arrogance is not a method to KEEP salvation.
Insecure salvation is a direct attack on Christ and the work he has done.
Even those who call On the Name of Christ are saved, no works or merit.. no mention of the side effect that you have to keep it.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
To attack the security of Christ the LIVING GOD is to cause fellow believers to stumble and shrink back.
Insecure salvation has no doctrinal merit and is in Direct opposition with the DIVINE ATTRIBUTE of the Faithfulness of God.
You are ADDING THE WILL OF MAN TO SALVATION!!!
This is a DIRECT attack on the work of Christ....
I watch how you defend your position.. and it is this verse and that verse like a drunk stumbling along.
But I have yet to see any doctrinal Lay out of the insecure salvation position.
I have asked for it..how does insecure salvation mesh with the other doctrines of God?
It DOES NOT!
It is just argument over this out of context passage and that out of context passage, stated as if it is some law.
There is no doctrine behind it... only legalism.
Why Else would a believer want to cause fellow believers to lose the confidence they have in Christ and shrink back..
Unless it was to shrink into some sort of LEGALISM????
Is not the very essence of the insecure salvation position?
Do not sin.. and thru that you can keep salvation. ( aka Legalism.)
( sorry Mods, but this is How I see it..Even Christ stated behind white wash of the tombs, are rotting corpses.)
Paul Struck out at Legalism in the MOST violent of words.
Paul was angry with these baby Christians because they were trying to live out the Christian life by keeping the law!
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
He called it a perversion of the gospel of Christ.. and that those who preach such things to be accursed.
( Again Mods.. these are Paul's words.. and Context does fit.)
( Mods.. and if this legalism would annoy Paul while he was in the spirit.. then it certainly should annoy other spirit filled believers )
Paul also states...: “After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?” (Galatians 3:3)
For me.... I trust Christ even though I shall fail in many areas, I know Christ is secure,.
For you insecure salvation believers....
I dont care about .. 'what about this verse or that verse'.... lets see the Doctrine.