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    Re: Can someone explain this?

    Quote Originally Posted by John 8:32 View Post
    This is not the final flight of the church, it will happen one more time at the end...This finally became possible in the early 1950's when the two superpowers had stockpiled enough WMD's to destroy all life off of the planet. This event was not possible in 70 AD.
    Hi, John. I don't know about the relevance of WMD's, but I strongly that what happened in AD70 was a type for future events (the antitype). Well said.
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    The secret things belong to the Lord our God,
    but the things
    revealed belong to us
    and to our sons forever,
    that we may observe all the words of this law.
    -- Deuteronomy 29:29

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    Wonderful things from Your law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockSolid View Post
    Matt 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
    The term, generation, "Genea" can be taken metaphorically as well as literally. We do have a challenge in seeking to understand how it is used here. We may even need to look at the entire counsel of God to understand it. After all, this is a prophecy of future events, and all prophecies involve the use of types and antitypes, which are things that happen at one time (type) which are repeated later, sometimes several times, and usually refer to an ultimate occurence of them (the antitype).

    Here, I think it instructive to consider how the term is used in comparison to 'Age' (Aion) by Jesus and Paul when they speak of how God is revealing and executing His purposes with mankind:

    32 "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age (Aion) or in the age(Aion) to come. Mt 6:13.

    22 "And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world (Aion) and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
    Mt 13:22.

    49 "So it will be at the end of the age(Aion) ; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, MT 21:19

    26 that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages (Aion) and generations (Genea), but has now been manifested to His saints, Col 1.
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    We see that at the end of the age, the angels come to separate out the wicked. That means the age JC is referring to is at least from the time Christ until the second coming.

    We see Paul practcially using the term generation the same was as age.

    This is a good initiation into discussing how Jesus was speaking of the entire age until His return. My view is He is referring to the age in which the free gift of salvation in Christ is being offered. ONce He returns, it will no longer be offered. I think this is the import of Jesus' reference to "this generation".
    His and Yours,

    Eyelog

    The secret things belong to the Lord our God,
    but the things
    revealed belong to us
    and to our sons forever,
    that we may observe all the words of this law.
    -- Deuteronomy 29:29

    Open my eyes, that I may behold
    Wonderful things from Your law.
    -- Psalm 119:18

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    Re: Can someone explain this?

    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    So what about these verses of Scripture? Matthew 22:37-40 - Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Why would Jesus say this if these two great commandments are completely distinct from the law of Moses?
    Not sure exactly what your question is here. To say that all hangs on these two commandments is correct. They are the foundation of all. The first four commandments tell us what God expects when we love him and the last six tell us what God expects when we love our neighbor. To just say love God or love your neighbor is very nebulous. If you ask twenty people what THEIR opinion is concerning love God or love your neighbor, you will get twenty answers. God does not leave the definition of how to serve Him up to us, He leaves the choice to do as He says or not up to us. Adam and Eve tried to make the choice of how to serve God when they chose the tree of the knowledge of good and evil instead of the tree of life. You seem to misunderstand about the distinction between the Law of God and the Law of Moses. It is not an either/or distinction, it is an and distinction. Here is a very simple example…

    Apples and oranges are fruit. Apples and oranges are not the same fruit, but they are fruit. The Law of God (meaning the Ten Commandments) is not the Law of Moses and vice-versa, but they are law

    The Ten Commandments were written in stone, by the finger of God and put inside the Ark. The Law of Moses was written in a book, by the hand of Moses and put into a pocket on the outside of the Ark.

    Now to further explain this concept of all built on the two great commands, let’s look at…

    Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

    What is in the Temple of God in heaven? An Ark. Now how was Moses supposed to construct the Ark of the Covenant that resided in the earthly tabernacle?

    Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

    The Ark of the Tabernacle was an exact copy of the Ark in heaven. On top of the Ark was the Mercy Seat, God’s throne. Now, what was in the Ark? The Ten Commandments written in stone. What is in the heavenly Ark? The Ten Commandments, the foundation of God’s Throne and His government. All is built on the Ten Commandments, love God (the first four) and love your neighbor (the last six).

    John 7:23 - Now if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath? Why the connection here with the Sabbath and the law of Moses if they are completely distinct?
    Again, there is a distinction, but they are not mutually exclusive. Let’s look at the context…

    Joh 5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
    Joh 5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
    Joh 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
    Joh 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
    Joh 5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
    Joh 5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
    Joh 5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
    Joh 5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?

    Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

    Now let’s read the passage in John 7

    Joh 7:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.
    Joh 7:22 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
    Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
    Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    The law of Moses here is the law of circumcision, certainly not one of the Ten Commandments. Christ was showing that to obey the law of circumcision or to heal someone does not violate the letter or the spirit of the Sabbath command.

    Mar 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

    Romans 7:7 - What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet." Why the connection between the law and the tenth commandment if they are completely distinct?
    Again, I am not sure what you are asking, the Ten Commandments are the Law of God. They are the foundation of all. The tenth commandment is part of the Law of God, the Ten Commandments.

    James 2:11 - For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. How can we be transgressors of the law if the 10 commandments are distinct from the law?
    In retrospect, the example of fruit was probably not the best, let me try again, the Constitution of the United States is the overall governing document of this nation. There are federal, state and local laws. Are the state and local laws the constitution? No, but they contribute to governing this nation. Must they be in harmony with the Constitution? Yes, if not, the supreme court strikes them down. This is still not a perfect analogy, but it may be better. God’s Law is summarized in one word, love. There are two aspects of this Law, love God and love man. There are four aspects of love for God, the first four commandments, then there are the last six which summarize how to love your neighbor. This is the foundation of all law. The Law of Moses was given through Moses to Israel. They are laws that tell how to govern on the “local” level. Here is an example of how to love your neighbor…

    Deu 19:14 Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.

    This involves at least three commandments, don’t lie, don’t steal and don’t covet.

    By making a distinction between the 10 commandments and the law of Moses, are you trying to teach that verses such as Galatians 2:16 and Ephesians 2:9 apply only to "specific works of the law of Moses" MINUS the 10 commandments so that you can make obeying the 10 commandments an "additional requirement for salvation" in addition to faith in Christ? (I was taught this while growing up in the Roman Catholic church). Romans 10:4 - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Are the 10 commandments not included in the law for righteousness?
    Obeying the Ten Commandments does not bring salvation. Salvation is not the wages of work, it is the freely given gift of God. God has a choice as to whom He will give this gift to. He plainly says that He will not give it to those who practice lawlessness…

    Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    G458
    ἀνομία
    anomia
    an-om-ee'-ah
    From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

    Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

    Does God give this marvelous gift to anyone, no matter what they think, do or say?

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Does God give the right to the tree of life to just anyone? Or does He give it to those who obey Him?

    Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    We are justified by His blood, reconciled by His death and saved by His life…

    Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
    Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    Now there are those who say just believe on the Lord and you will be saved. That’s all. Is this really true, or just part of the story?

    Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    The Devil and his demons believe, much better than we do because they can see God. The problem is they will not obey. God does not want any more children in His family that do not obey. It really is that simple.

    Exactly what church do you attend? Do you believe that through your efforts to keep your distance of travel limited that you are keeping the Sabbath and this will help contribute to you receiving eternal life?
    What difference does it make which church I attend? Salvation is not by membership in a specific organization. The true church, the Ekklesia is made up of those who have a relationship with the Father and Christ. Keeping the Sabbath does not earn one salvation. The distance we drive is not of any consequence concerning salvation. I do believe it is important to fellowship with believers who are like minded…

    Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    G1997
    ἐπισυναγωγή
    episunagōgē
    ep-ee-soon-ag-o-gay'
    From G1996; a complete collection; specifically a Christian meeting (for worship): - assembling (gathering) together

    Please show me under the New Covenant exactly what these principles of keeping the seventh day Sabbath are. What about Christians who attend church on Sunday instead of Saturday and don't follow all the regulations that I mentioned in Exodus concerning the Sabbath? Will they be saved?
    What is the New Covenant?

    Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

    Convocation:

    H4744
    מקרא
    miqrâ'
    mik-raw'
    From H7121; something called out, that is, a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the palce); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

    Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

    Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

    From Adam Clarke - Ye shall kindle no fire - The Jews understand this precept as forbidding the kindling of fire only for the purpose of doing work or dressing victuals; but to give them light and heat, they judge it lawful to light a fire on the Sabbath day, though themselves rarely kindle it-they get Christians to do this work for them.

    Exo 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

    H2758
    חרישׁ
    chârı̂ysh
    khaw-reesh'
    From H2790; ploughing or its season: - earing (time), ground.

    Luk 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

    Mar 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

    As far as those who do not keep the Sabbath...

    Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
    Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
    Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    Who are the doers of the law? Paul also said, Romans 3:20-22, Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.
    I have always agreed that the deeds of the law do not justify anyone, but flip it, do you suppose that this justification is given to unrepentant sinners, to just everyone? That is universal salvation and I am sure you do not believe that.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

    And what did He command?

    Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
    Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
    Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which?

    Which commandments was He referring to? The Ten Commandments…

    Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
    Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Again, if all you have to do is believe, the Devil and his demons have that one down pat…

    Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    You do realize that James DOES NOT teach that we are saved "by" works. Don't you? His concern is to SHOW the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. James 2:18, Show me your (alledged) faith without your works and I will SHOW you my (genuine) faith by my works (James 2:18). SHOW, not establish. In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "good work" yet to neglect such a brother or sister and not give them the things needed for the body is to break the second great commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39) as found written in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18).
    I think that I have beaten that one into the ground. We are not saved by works, but workers of lawlessness are not saved.

    New International Version (©1984)
    Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

    We are saved by Christ’s life, but He will not save those who do not live His way

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

    So without are those who live in a lawless manner.

    It sounds like you believe that we are saved by works. In James 2:19, nobody is questioning the fact that the demons also "believe" that there is "one God" but where in this passage does it say that demons believe or trust in Jesus Christ for salvation? The faith of demons is only "mental assent." Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. The word "believe" can describe "mere mental assent" (James 2:19) or also include "trust and reliance" (Acts 16:31). To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is more than just simply believing in the existence and historical facts about Him. It is to fully trust in Him as the allsufficient means of our salvation. Obedience which follows (good works) are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of our faith, but not the means of our salvation.
    When God delivered Israel form Egypt (sin), how did He do it? He delivered them first, then gave them His law and made a covenant with them. They said we will do all God commands and He said He would give them a wonderful life…

    1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

    We are delivered from sin, justified and reconciled by Christ, then we are expected to live a certain way, according to the law. One would certainly not say we are justified and reconciled by Christ and then we live however we want, murdering, robbing banks, cursing God, etc. Are you trying to say that is the way it really is? That we live however we desire? There are no standards of conduct?

    I have NEVER said that we are saved by works...

    Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

    Psa 39:5 Behold, thou hast made my days as an handbreadth; and mine age is as nothing before thee: verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah.

    Again, it is a matter of God not giving eteranl life to those who despise Him and His ways and live according to the Devil...

    Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    What is iniquity? Lawlessness.

    In Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21 not the righteous, who have been born of God - 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9.
    The unrighteous practice sin. OK, to practice something means what, to do it regularly as a way of life. Do we agree on that? Then what is sin…

    1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

    The law tells us what sin is, without the law there is no sin…

    Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

    So the law defines sin.


    Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord (not through works). Ephesians 2:8,9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
    Exactly, we are saved by grace, but if we practice a way of life called sin, lawlessness, what is it we receive? Eternal life? No, the wages of sin is death. And once more, what is sin? The transgression of the law.

    Is this the cause or the effect of receiving eternal life? If you say cause, then how well must you "do His commandments" in order to receive eternal life? Why do other translations read, "Blessed are those who wash their robes?" which symbolizes those who have been forgiven of their sins through the blood of the Lamb (Romans 3:24-26).
    Actually, it is neither, it is a qualification. God does not give His free gift to just anyone, He gives this gift to those who love Him, and how do we love Him…

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

    1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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    Re: Can someone explain this?

    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    So why have most Christians been taught that Christ was crucified on Friday and raised on Sunday morning?
    Who taught this? My suggestion is you look into the Council of Nicea and the quartodeciman controversy, here is a place to start…

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05228a.htm

    but I suggest you google it for yourself.

    You will find that the RCC changed it by their authority, not the authority of the scriptures. They claim their authority overrides that of the scriptures...

    “Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.” Rome’s Challenge www.immaculateheart.com/maryonline Dec 2003

    “Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111; 88th Edition, p. 89).

    “For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.”

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    So why have most Christians been taught that Christ was crucified on Friday and raised on Sunday morning?

    Mail and John, consider these SCripture:

    Matthew 27:50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. 51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many. 54 Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

    55 Many women were there looking on from a distance, who had followed Jesus from Galilee while ministering to Him. 56 Among them was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.

    57 When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him. 59 And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away. 61 And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the grave.

    62 Now on the next day, the day after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, 63 and said, “Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, ‘ After three days I am to rise again.’ 64 Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last deception will be worse than the first.” 65 Pilate said to them, “You have a guard; go, make it as secure as you know how.” 66 And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone

    Matthew 28:1
    [ Jesus Is Risen! ] Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.


    Mark 15:
    37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry, and breathed His last. 38 And the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. 39 When the centurion, who was standing right in front of Him, saw the way He breathed His last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”

    40 There were also some women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome. 41 When He was in Galilee, they used to follow Him and minister to Him; and there were many other women who came up with Him to Jerusalem.

    Jesus Is Buried
    42 When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea came, a prominent member of the Council, who himself was waiting for the kingdom of God; and he gathered up courage and went in before Pilate, and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate wondered if He was dead by this time, and summoning the centurion, he questioned him as to whether He was already dead. 45 And ascertaining this from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. 46 Joseph bought a linen cloth, took Him down, wrapped Him in the linen cloth and laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. 47 Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses were looking on to see where He was laid

    Mar 16:

    When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they *came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 They were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” 4 Looking up, they *saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. 5 Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed. 6 And he *said to them, “ Do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here; behold, here is the place where they laid Him. 7 But go, tell His disciples and Peter, ‘ He is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see Him, just as He told you.’” 8 They went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had gripped them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

    9 [Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. 10 She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping. 11 When they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it.


    Luke 23:46 And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.” Having said this, He breathed His last. 47 Now when the centurion saw what had happened, he began praising God, saying, “Certainly this man was innocent.” 48 And all the crowds who came together for this spectacle, when they observed what had happened, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 And all His acquaintances and the women who accompanied Him from Galilee were standing at a distance, seeing these things.

    50 And a man named Joseph, who was a member of the Council, a good and righteous man 51 (he had not consented to their plan and action), a man from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who was waiting for the kingdom of God; 52 this man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid Him in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain. 54 It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. 55 Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. 56 Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes.

    And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.

    John 19:
    30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “ It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

    31 Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32 So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; 33 but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. 34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you also may believe. 36 For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, “ Not a bone of Him shall be broken.” 37 And again another Scripture says, “ They shall look on Him whom they pierced.”

    38 After these things Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but a secret one for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate granted permission. So he came and took away His body. 39 Nicodemus, who had first come to Him by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight. 40 So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. 41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42 Therefore because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.
    The Wednesday or Thursday burial theory is not very strong in my view.
    His and Yours,

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    Wonderful things from Your law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John 8:32 View Post
    Short answer - (I know that sounds unbleievable) No, Christ could not have been crucified on Friday and raised on Sunday morning. Three days and three nights. He was crucified on Passover, Wednesday, April 25, 31 AD and raised around sunset on Sabbath evening. Three days and three nights, just as He said He would be.

    Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
    Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    That or the only sign He gave failed.
    What day is Sabbath preparation day?
    His and Yours,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyelog View Post
    What day is Sabbath preparation day?
    Here is a hint for you...

    Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

    What is a High Day?

    Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
    Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

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    Obeying the Ten Commandments does not bring salvation. Salvation is not the wages of work, it is the freely given gift of God.
    Amen! You are absolutely correct here.

    God has a choice as to whom He will give this gift to. He plainly says that He will not give it to those who practice lawlessness…
    Practicing lawlessness is a manifestation of unbelief. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous ; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother (1 John 3:5-10).

    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day (John 6:40). On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' (Matthew 7:22). What were these people obviously trusting in for salvation? These WORKS. They were believing in their works and not in Christ alone for salvation. The correct answer for these people would have been, "Lord, Lord, didn't YOU live a sinless perfect life, die for my sins and rise from the dead. I trust in YOU alone for my salvation.

    Does God give this marvelous gift to anyone, no matter what they think, do or say? Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Does God give the right to the tree of life to just anyone? Or does He give it to those who obey Him? Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
    Of course, "do his commandments" and "obey Him" does not refer to sinless perfect obedience to ALL that the Lord has commanded us. If that were the case then none of us qualify.

    We are justified by His blood, reconciled by His death and saved by His life…

    Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
    Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
    Amen!

    Now there are those who say just believe on the Lord and you will be saved. That’s all. Is this really true, or just part of the story?
    Paul said "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" (Acts 16:31). If that is only part of the story then Paul gives and incomplete answer to the question in verse 30.

    Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    The Devil and his demons believe, much better than we do because they can see God. The problem is they will not obey. God does not want any more children in His family that do not obey. It really is that simple.
    They "believe" (mental assent) that there is "one God" but they don't believe or trust in the Savior God sent for redemption. They reject Him so of course they don't obey Him. Children of God obey Him. Children of the devil do not obey Him.

    What difference does it make which church I attend? Salvation is not by membership in a specific organization.
    I know that. I was just curious based on certain beliefs that you have.

    The true church, the Ekklesia is made up of those who have a relationship with the Father and Christ. Keeping the Sabbath does not earn one salvation. The distance we drive is not of any consequence concerning salvation. I do believe it is important to fellowship with believers who are like minded…
    Amen! I completely agree with you here.

    What is the New Covenant?

    Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    Hebrews 8:13 - In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    Matthew 26:28 - For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
    Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
    Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
    Of course we "keep" His commandments because we are saved not to become saved and the word "keep" does not mean sinless perfect obedience to ALL of His commandments. The word, "keep," comes from the Greek word tereo Strongs #5083 and means to keep, to guard, to watch over, preserve. To attend to carefully, take care of to guard metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is to observe.

    I have always agreed that the deeds of the law do not justify anyone, but flip it, do you suppose that this justification is given to unrepentant sinners, to just everyone? That is universal salvation and I am sure you do not believe that.
    I certainly don't agree with universal salvation. An unrepentant sinner is not a believer. We are saved through faith and not by works, yet if our faith is true then it will be substantiated and confirmed by good works (keeping His commandments, practicing righteousness etc..). This is a manifestation of saving faith.

    Again, if all you have to do is believe, the Devil and his demons have that one down pat… Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    Again, they may "believe" that there is "one God" but they do not believe or trust in Jesus Christ for salvation. The lack of obedience stems from a lack of saving faith.

    I think that I have beaten that one into the ground. We are not saved by works, but workers of lawlessness are not saved.
    Workers of lawlessness are not saved believers. Children of the devil practice lawlessness and not righteousness (1 John 3:10).

    We are delivered from sin, justified and reconciled by Christ, then we are expected to live a certain way, according to the law.
    Which you mean not according to the law of Moses but according to the law of Christ. Right?

    One would certainly not say we are justified and reconciled by Christ and then we live however we want, murdering, robbing banks, cursing God, etc. Are you trying to say that is the way it really is? That we live however we desire? There are no standards of conduct?
    Absolutely not. Paul addressed this issue. Romans 6:1,2 - What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? I do not teach a license to sin.

    I have NEVER said that we are saved by works...
    Great! I'm glad to hear it. Certain things that you previously said made it sound like that's what you taught. That's why I asked.

    Again, it is a matter of God not giving eteranl life to those who despise Him and His ways and live according to the Devil...
    To say that a child of God despises God and His ways and lives according to the Devil would be an oxymoron. To say that a child of the Devil loves the Lord and His ways and lives according to God would be an oxymoron as well.

    The unrighteous practice sin. OK, to practice something means what, to do it regularly as a way of life. Do we agree on that?
    Yes. The idea is to perform repeatedly or habitually and thus describes repetition or continuous action. Paul uses the present tense which describes the practice as habitual, as one's lifestyle or bent of life.

    Exactly, we are saved by grace, but if we practice a way of life called sin, lawlessness, what is it we receive? Eternal life? No, the wages of sin is death. And once more, what is sin? The transgression of the law.
    1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Paul refers to those who practice such sins (Galatians 5:19-21) as the unrighteous (1 Corinthians 6:9) not the righteous. In vere 11, we read: Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. This does not mean that those who are born of God never sin at all. We are not sinless and perfect.

    Actually, it is neither, it is a qualification. God does not give His free gift to just anyone, He gives this gift to those who love Him, and how do we love Him…

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

    1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19). We don't just conjure up this love in our flesh. The love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us (Romans 5:5). So do we love Him and keep His commandments in order to become saved or do we become saved through faith and then we love Him and keep His commandments? Those who are saved are described as knowing Him, loving Him and keeping His commandments but is this the cause or effect of becoming saved in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19). We don't just conjure up this love in our flesh. The love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us (Romans 5:5). So do we love Him and keep His commandments in order to become saved or do we become saved through faith and then we love Him and keep His commandments? Those who are saved are described as knowing Him, loving Him and keeping His commandments but is this the cause or effect of becoming saved in the first place?
    As I posted previously, everything that happened to Israel, happened for our examples. They were first brought out of sin (Egypt), then given the law to obey God. Same with us, we don't obey to gain God's love...

    Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

    God gives us His love through the Holy Spirit and we obey Him then because we love Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John 8:32 View Post
    The principles of keeping the seventh day Sabbath are still in effect.
    Mark2:27 "Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

    Col2:16-23 "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
    things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
    Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
    and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
    If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
    "Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!"
    (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)—in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
    These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.
    If, in my life, I had never broken God’s law, ever. Been absolutely perfect, what would I have coming to me? A great life but not eternal life.
    If you were perfect you would be sinless and would have eternal life; you wouldn't need a Savior.

    ...no one is perfect, all have failed and fall short of the glory of God... (Rm3:10,23)
    Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Eternal life is the gift of God by faith and that is not my/your faith.
    It is 100% "your/our" faith.

    "Receive as the outcome of YOUR FAITH salvation". 1Pet1:9.

    Can you lose the gift by breaking God’s law?
    Yes. But not by the actual "lawbreaking", but by the UNBELIEF that lawbreaking EXPOSES. Men are only condemned for unbelief -- Jn3:18, 1Jn5:10.
    Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
    Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
    Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
    Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
    Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
    Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
    Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
    Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
    Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    Our works show our saved faith --- they are the evidence of our salvation, not the cause. James aligned with this idea.

    "I by my works will SHOW you my faith."
    Ever hear it said to just believe on the Lord? Well the demons believe and tremble, so what is the difference? They do not obey.
    "Obedience" is interchangeable with "belief"; we are not saved by works.
    1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    Sin exposes who belongs to God, and who belongs to the devil --- 1Jn3:5-10. We do not "avoid sins to be saved", we who are saved do not walk in sin.

    What does Christ’s blood do for us? Pays the price for sin, the transgression of the law. So, if we continue to willfully sin, this passage tells us we have no more sacrifice and are to be burned up in the lake of fire.
    That's right; but Rev20:13 (and Rom2:6-8) does not assert "saved by good deeds" --- the deeds expose whether we belonged to God, or to the darkness.
    Quote Originally Posted by MailmanDan
    So Christians who worship the Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday are not keeping the Sabbath? Is the Saturday Sabbath (with all it's rules and regulations mentioned in Exodus and elsewhere) binding on Christians under the New Covenant?
    Again, what is the New Covenant?

    Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
    Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
    Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    What about hospital workers, or police or firemen? Their services must be provided all days. If they celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday, or Tuesday, will God not honor them?
    What did Christ do?

    Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

    1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

    What did Paul do?

    Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

    Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

    Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

    Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

    Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
    Why do you think it matters to God whether we honor the Sabbath on Saturday, or Sunday? Or even Tuesday? It's made for men, not for God; it's a day of rest, which ever day it occurs on.

    And there's still Col2:16-23...
    Why did Paul preach to Gentiles on the Sabbath? If the day of worship had changed, why did he not change it and preach to them on the first day of the week?
    Local custom.
    Why in the Millenium will the Sabbath be kept and if nations do not, they will be corrected vigorously?
    Those who honor the Sabbath on Sunday, keep the Sabbath. The days have changed throughout time --- a day is added here, a day there; some to "correct the calendar".

    Exactly how are we to know if our SATURDAY-SABBATH, is really the SAME day as it was a couple millennia ago? Does God really care?

    If we ascribe to a calendar invented by men (astronomers), who call a certain day "Saturday" and a certain other day "Sunday", and if we add days to take care of leap years and other errors, exactly why is it important to ascribe to ONE person's "opinion" as to when Saturday OR Sunday happens, than another's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timeanddate.com
    The Gregorian calendar reformed the Julian calendar because the Julian calendar introduced an error of 1 day every 128 years. The introduction of the Gregorian calendar allowed for the realignment with the equinox, however a number of days had to be dropped when the change was made.
    Calendar types

    * Gregorian calendar
    * Julian calendar
    * Mayan Calendar
    * Roman calendar
    * Chinese calendar

    The Gregorian calendar was first adopted in Italy, Poland, Portugal and Spain in 1582. The Gregorian reform consisted of the following changes:

    * 10 days were dropped in October 1582.
    * New rules were set to determine the date of Easter.
    * The rule for calculating Leap Years was changed to include that a year is a Leap Year if:
    1. The year is evenly divisible by 4;
    2. If the year can be evenly divided by 100, it is NOT a leap year, unless;
    3. The year is also evenly divisible by 400. Then it is a leap year.

    Is there a perfect calendar? February 30 was a real date

    For example, the years 1900, 2100, and 2200 are not Leap Years. However, the years 1600, 2000, and 2400 are Leap Years.

    The Julian calendar is currently (between the years 1901 and 2099) 13 days behind the Gregorian calendar because too many Leap Years were added. The Gregorian calendar is off by about 1 day every 3236 years.
    http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/gregorian-calendar.html

    Why is there “a keeping of a Sabbath”, as the margin renders it, left to the people of God? Written well over twenty years after it was supposedly nailed to the cross?

    What does one have to do to receive the gift of eternal life…

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    So we should condemn TUESDAY-SABBATH-KEEPERS? I think God will honor them, because they're honoring God.

    :-)

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