Too Much Breeding

[schtoole]

I know the Bible says people are supposed to reproduce but doesn't it seem like we are breeding ourselves into our own demise? Everyone knows that overpopulation is a major problem that our world is facing at this time. It just doesn't seem logical to have more than 2 children since any more would lead to exponential growth of population. I find it incredibly selfish to have more than 2 children for this reason. There are alot of people out there that have no business breeding, I think of my sister in law, she just had a child with her boyfriend. Neither of them work, they live on fraudulent disability. I don't know a more disadvantaged child and it's incredibly sad that she will have to grow up with such poor parents, provided child protective services don't take her away. I think she should have gotten an abortion but her supposed Christianity is why she didn't. How could your God possibly want a child to be raised by degenerates such as these?

[HisLeast]

I know the Bible says people are supposed to reproduce but doesn't it seem like we are breeding ourselves into our own demise? Everyone knows that overpopulation is a major problem that our world is facing at this time. It just doesn't seem logical to have more than 2 children since any more would lead to exponential growth of population. I find it incredibly selfish to have more than 2 children for this reason. There are alot of people out there that have no business breeding, I think of my sister in law, she just had a child with her boyfriend. Neither of them work, they live on fraudulent disability. I don't know a more disadvantaged child and it's incredibly sad that she will have to grow up with such poor parents, provided child protective services don't take her away. I think she should have gotten an abortion but her supposed Christianity is why she didn't. How could your God possibly want a child to be raised by degenerates such as these?

How can you feel sorry for a child you wish was murdered?

[tango]

Where are you going to draw the line between who is allowed to breed and who is not?

God told Adam and Eve to "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it" (Gen 1:28) - he didn't say that only people who met an arbitrarily defined standard of income should obey his command.

It's also easy to see people who have no money and no means of generating an income and assuming they shouldn't breed. But what about the career couples who pop out a couple of kids and promptly dump them on childminders? Those kids have everything money can buy, they have everything they want except the attention of their parents.

Why would God judge a couple based on their income rather than whether they love their child or not?

[schtoole]

Money isn't the main issue i have with them, although it is a terrible burden that society will now have to pay for. It's more that they are social degenerates. She grew this child on Burger King, and is devoid of responsibility. Aria, her new daughter has already had a slew of health problems in her first month of being alive, Child protective services is keeping a very close eye on them. There house smells like feces, dirty dishes and garbage are abound. Most people wouldn't expose their child to these living conditions for any amount of time. I feel sorry for Aria now because she is alive, I don't feel that a fetus is alive until it can survive outside of the mother. I'm not going to change my mind about that, she would have been stopping the growth of a few cells if she got an abortion within the first few months. My woman had one after she was 12 weeks and we both feel indifferent to it.

[RUN2GOD]

That is what is so great OUR one and only God(He is your God too, whether you accept Him or not, He accepts you). God doesn't look at outward appearances, worldly success, and He doesn't even judge us by our parents. He looks at what is in our heart, and our mind. How many hearts and minds can you see into? Only one, YOURS! Who knows what this child may grow up to become, but there's more hope for her than for some grown adults already assuming she don't have any hope. Unfortunately, I don't think you ever have to worry about her looking to you for love and encouragement.

[tango]

I'm not sure how this is developing into a discussion of our faith, to be honest with you.

It's easy to point fingers and judge others, but much harder to step in and try to help. Aside from your assertion that the mother should have had an abortion and that you won't change your mind on that, I'm not seeing much here other than a rant.

[Gypsy]

Hi schtoole and welcome,
The truth is that no one can tell God's plan for another. He loves all of us equally - please hear that; all of us equally! You as much as me as much as anyone on this board. It really doesn't matter if we were corn bread farm boys or burger king bread spoiled brats our value is equal in the eyes of God. Honestly we're all probably pretty shabby looking to Him; sinful, willful, headstrong, wretched little creatures, who can't seem to remember what's important in the great scheme of things. Spending our time lurking around this earth hurting each other and masturbating in corners. Thinking that status and things are what will make us happy. What social degenerates we all must seem to Him. He wants us anyway - heaven knows why. He just rocks it like that!

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

In my mind your argument is sorta kin to saying that there are five men on a four man life raft, so it's justified that the four strongest push the one weakest to his death instead of sending for help and then taking turns swimming and helping each other while trusting that help will arrive, because, let's face it, if it doesn't, their all done anyway!


I remember seeing this years ago and never forgot it:

A women has tuberculosis, and the father has syphilis.

Together they had four children.

• Their first child was born blind...
• The second child was stillborn...
• The third child was deaf & dumb...
• and their fourth was born with tuberculosis.

They're now pregnant with their fifth child.

Would you think it acceptable should they choose to abort this child?

The fifth child was Ludwig van Beethoven.

I know it's anecdotal, but it's warning rings true. How could any of us presume the position of evaluating the worth of a life at the point that has not developed beyond as you say "the growth of a few cells"? That to me is horrifying, because what if the result of the burger king bread, socially degenerate, irresponsibly made child of God, is the child who He has chosen to bestow the gifts, talents and virtue to solve the world's overpopulation problem without killing God's children? I mean I know that there are those who believe that abortion is ok, but does anyone really think it's preferable? Why not lets fix the real problems instead of chasing around arguing about their side effects.

It's nice to meet you schtoole, I'm glad your here. God Bless.

[Moxie]

I know the Bible says people are supposed to reproduce but doesn't it seem like we are breeding ourselves into our own demise? Everyone knows that overpopulation is a major problem that our world is facing at this time. It just doesn't seem logical to have more than 2 children since any more would lead to exponential growth of population. I find it incredibly selfish to have more than 2 children for this reason. There are alot of people out there that have no business breeding, I think of my sister in law, she just had a child with her boyfriend. Neither of them work, they live on fraudulent disability. I don't know a more disadvantaged child and it's incredibly sad that she will have to grow up with such poor parents, provided child protective services don't take her away. I think she should have gotten an abortion but her supposed Christianity is why she didn't. How could your God possibly want a child to be raised by degenerates such as these?

The evils that occur in the world today can be attributed to Satan. God did not create a fallen world for mankind. This and many other examples happen because sin is in our world. However, God can take any bad and make it good if He so chooses. Sometimes, people stay in muck because it is the only way He can get their attention. God's purpose is to bring us to Him. Nothing is by accident. This child is not with these parents by accident, you are not on this Bible forum website by accident. Somehow, this child and the situation she is in will serve God's purpose of bringing others to Him, even if we never see what that may have been.

[markedward]

I don't feel that a fetus is alive until it can survive outside of the mother.

How does a fetus grow if it isn't alive? Dead and non-living things don't grow.

You think a fetus isn't alive just because it is dependent upon the mother to survive? How is that any different than an new-born infant being dependent upon its mother? They equally depend on the mother to survive, but you think one's not alive just because it's inside her womb rather than outside in a crib.

[Athanasius]

Money isn't the main issue i have with them, although it is a terrible burden that society will now have to pay for. It's more that they are social degenerates. She grew this child on Burger King, and is devoid of responsibility. Aria, her new daughter has already had a slew of health problems in her first month of being alive, Child protective services is keeping a very close eye on them. There house smells like feces, dirty dishes and garbage are abound. Most people wouldn't expose their child to these living conditions for any amount of time.

I fail to see how the above justifies abortion? How would killing an unborn baby resolve the above?

I feel sorry for Aria now because she is alive, I don't feel that a fetus is alive until it can survive outside of the mother. I'm not going to change my mind about that, she would have been stopping the growth of a few cells if she got an abortion within the first few months. My woman had one after she was 12 weeks and we both feel indifferent to it.

This is an untenable position. Are you suggesting that a fetus a second from birth is not alive while that same fetus, given one more second, would be considered alive? Would this same fetus be considered 'not alive' (if not alive, then what exactly?) yet the premature baby, born two months early would be? If this baby were born requiring immediate medical attention, would that then make it 'not alive' as while it's no longer dependent upon its mother, it's unable to survive outsider of her? How is a thing not alive, yet not dead? Where are you drawing these ontological distinctions? Are those living in a state of coma no longer alive as well? Or those who require kidney dialysis or regular medical treatment treatment? Is the accident victim - dependent upon machines and blood transfusions - no longer alive?

At 12 weeks a fetus is a lot more than just a 'few cells,' nor is it in any way a constituent property of a womans body; it is a distinct entity in and of itself.
You don't want to change your mind then that's fine - what are you expecting?

[RabbiKnife]

OVerpopulation is not a burden on the planet. Pure horse hockey.

Less than 10% of the land surface of the earth is populated. You could put everyone in the world in the state of Texas and be less crowded than Hong Kong.

Overpopulation is a myth.

[Free Indeed]

Although we are now faced with many problems due to overpopulation, not the least of which is massive famine in many parts of the world, we have to keep in mind that when God said "Be fruitful and multiply", he was talking to specific people at a specific point in history.

Not us.

[Jeanne D]

So if a couple conceives a child should they do away with that child, because we are over populated?

Perhaps those who feel that way can do away with themselves and make room for others? Any volunteers???

Don't you know that God is aware of every person who is conceived and that HE has to allow that conception to take place?

I just don't understand that way of thinking.

Jeanne

[mcgyver]

This has gone way outside of both the intent of the forum, and the OP.

Since this really isn't a discussion about the Christian faith per se., we're going to close it down.

Thanks to all who've participated.