Saved By Grace?

[Firstfruits]

With regards to the following scriptures how does the law of works affect grace and if possible salvation, as we are saved by grace?

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[theBelovedDisciple]

With regards to the following scriptures how does the law of works affect grace and if possible salvation, as we are saved by grace?

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

You are Truly Saved by Grace... charis... in the Greek... which means God's mercy and lovingkindness, favour.. unmerited is directed at you.
He exerts His Holy Influence upon your life.. by bestowing His Grace and Kindness in every aspect your life.. all this unmerited... This is God Centered Salvation and not man centered salvation... Its Roots are in Heaven and the Author and Finisher of it is the Person of Jesus the Christ...God manifest in the flesh... He Draws the Sinner.. Reveals Himself to him/her... Saves him/her.. Empowers him/her... and Keeps him/her...


works of the law? attempting to be justified and saved thru them?

if you are doing this.. and you have been Saved by Him.. Truly in the Past..

then ye have fallen from Grace..

Christ's Work on the Bloody Tree has become null and void to you...

Everything is fullfilled in that... It is Finished...

believing that as a child would.. with Child like faith...

Justified and declared Righteouss!!

man centered salvation says... Yes I can......

God Centered Salvation... says..... NO YOU CANT...... and this is why Jesus went to the Cross... that belief in Him and what He has done for you... is the ONLY WAY to be Justified and declared Righteouss in the Eyes of God...

this is why the Cross is an offense to many.. and a stumblingstone... and yes.. this even with people in organized religion....

[Firstfruits]

You are Truly Saved by Grace... charis... in the Greek... which means God's mercy and lovingkindness, favour.. unmerited is directed at you.
He exerts His Holy Influence upon your life.. by bestowing His Grace and Kindness in every aspect your life.. all this unmerited... This is God Centered Salvation and not man centered salvation... Its Roots are in Heaven and the Author and Finisher of it is the Person of Jesus the Christ...God manifest in the flesh... He Draws the Sinner.. Reveals Himself to him/her... Saves him/her.. Empowers him/her... and Keeps him/her...


works of the law? attempting to be justified and saved thru them?

if you are doing this.. and you have been Saved by Him.. Truly in the Past..

then ye have fallen from Grace..

Christ's Work on the Bloody Tree has become null and void to you...

Everything is fullfilled in that... It is Finished...

believing that as a child would.. with Child like faith...

Justified and declared Righteouss!!

man centered salvation says... Yes I can......

God Centered Salvation... says..... NO YOU CANT...... and this is why Jesus went to the Cross... that belief in Him and what He has done for you... is the ONLY WAY to be Justified and declared Righteouss in the Eyes of God...

this is why the Cross is an offense to many.. and a stumblingstone... and yes.. this even with people in organized religion....

Thanks TBD,

I agree, God bless you!

Firstfruits

[Sirus]

What is grace? I know the generic seminary answer. TBD has nailed it. It is God's provisionary toolkit --complete and finished work of Jesus Christ.

awesome!!!

[Firstfruits]

What is grace? I know the generic seminary answer. TBD has nailed it. It is God's provisionary toolkit --complete and finished work of Jesus Christ.

awesome!!!

Thanks Sirus,

So by the law if works, is the following scripture implying that to do so means that the work of Christ is not finished?

Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Firstfruits

[kay-gee]

Obedience is still required (John 8:31)

The notion that grace absolves man of any sort of acts of obedience, is a heresy stemming from the reformation era.

Men , so glad to be free of the shackles of Romanism, with all its work based religion, began teaching that absolutely NOTHING is required of man.

The scriptures simply do not bear this out.

all the best...

[Firstfruits]

Obedience is still required (John 8:31)

The notion that grace absolves man of any sort of acts of obedience, is a heresy stemming from the reformation era.

Men , so glad to be free of the shackles of Romanism, with all its work based religion, began teaching that absolutely NOTHING is required of man.

The scriptures simply do not bear this out.

all the best...

Is there not a difference between the law of works and the law of faith, knowing that this was pointed out by Paul?

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[BHS]

Obedience is still required (John 8:31)

The notion that grace absolves man of any sort of acts of obedience, is a heresy stemming from the reformation era.

Men , so glad to be free of the shackles of Romanism, with all its work based religion, began teaching that absolutely NOTHING is required of man.

The scriptures simply do not bear this out.

all the best...

Absolutely true!!

Blessings,
BHS

[tt1106]

Thanks Sirus,

So by the law if works, is the following scripture implying that to do so means that the work of Christ is not finished?

Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Firstfruits

Nope, Paul is illustrating that if salvation was works based, God would be the debtor. The companion verse next: "but to him But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness"

Is showing that to he who believes in the God who justifies the ungodly (Christ) his faith is counted as righteousness, just as Abraham's was.


Blessings



tt1106

[Firstfruits]

Nope, Paul is illustrating that if salvation was works based, God would be the debtor. The companion verse next: "but to him But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness"

Is showing that to he who believes in the God who justifies the ungodly (Christ) his faith is counted as righteousness, just as Abraham's was.


Blessings



tt1106

Thanks tt1106,

Would the fact that it is us that are doing the work mean that it is us that believe we owe it to God to do the works of the law?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[thedustmaker]

Is there not a difference between the law of works and the law of faith, knowing that this was pointed out by Paul?

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Yes, big difference!

Salvation is fully by Grace.... and works follow. Scripture is clear that there is nothing we can DO to merit Salvation, we cannot earn it.

Our obedience follows Grace, in response to Grace, because of Grace, not to "keep or earn? Grace"

From Abraham to James, our obedience shows our faith in His Grace, but is not the means of it.

I really understand kay-gee, Grace is a scary thing to us work oriented creatures, something that I have struggled to keep in the proper focus all of my years in Christ.

God bless,
Doug

[Firstfruits]

Yes, big difference!

Salvation is fully by Grace.... and works follow. Scripture is clear that there is nothing we can DO to merit Salvation, we cannot earn it.

Our obedience follows Grace, in response to Grace, because of Grace, not to "keep or earn? Grace"

From Abraham to James, our obedience shows our faith in His Grace, but is not the means of it.

I really understand kay-gee, Grace is a scary thing to us work oriented creatures, something that I have struggled to keep in the proper focus all of my years in Christ.

God bless,
Doug

Thanks Doug,

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[BHS]

Saved by grace? Yes!

The confusion is in regard to works. Grace and works can go hand in hand, just as faith and works can go hand in hand. (If you don't believe that, check out what James says.) The criteria to salvation is that we do not use works to justify salvation. However, works as a response to God's grace is simply that. It is a natural response, and one that God expects.

Blesssings,
BHS

[Partaker of Christ]

Saved by grace? Yes!

The confusion is in regard to works. Grace and works can go hand in hand, just as faith and works can go hand in hand. (If you don't believe that, check out what James says.) The criteria to salvation is that we do not use works to justify salvation. However, works as a response to God's grace is simply that. It is a natural response, and one that God expects.

Blesssings,
BHS

Works are the evidence of our living faith.

If we have received the word and understood it, we WILL bear fruit.

If before we were saved, we did not produce works of the flesh, then it is because we are dead. All that is/was necessary to produce works of the flesh, is to be alive.

The same principle applies to grace working through faith. If we do not produce works of grace through faith, it is because the faith we have is dead.

[Moxie]

Some have applied works to be synonymous with having to do in order to keep their salvation. When we are saved, we are His children. He can no more disown us (2 Tim. 2:13) than I could disown my child for failing to wash the dishes as I asked.

Grace is what allows us to continue to be obedient to Him. Not out of some fearful obligation but out of love because we know what both He and His Son did for us.

Maybe we fail to understand grace because our heart has yet to grasp that Jesus died for us. To make it more personal, Jesus died for ME (one person) and if I had been the only person on the planet He still would have made that sacrifice. We can not work our way into heaven, nor are we honoring God when we continually try to work our way into His good graces in order to maintain a salvation that some are so unsure of. As for me, I work for the Lord because He loves me. It is what I choose to do in obedience to Him.