That sounds like boasting to me. You give God more credit than a sinner as me. So that...Originally Posted by Redeemed by GraceYou lowly and humble person. Much humbler than I. Me, boasting to the brink of sin, thinking to seek and perform and cooperate with God's will, as if I could do anything contrary to His will. For me to think to be able to perform God's will, or not. And yet the consequence of what you have already stated is that my response and belief and manner of doctrine is not my own, but God's.Originally Posted by Redeemed by GraceI have no argument with that. God goes first. Always. Already has, already done. "For God so loved..." "But God commendeth His love toward us..." It is a done deal.Originally Posted by Redeemed by GraceWell the text is full of warnings and things to heed regarding one believing and not believing and one doing and not doing. I'm not sure what to make of the whole of the Bible or the Gospel in the context that you make this all out to be. If all is by predestination and foreordination and by the force of His will, then what is done is done and it is pleasing to God. There isn't much we are going to settle in this thread and I am void of understanding on why you might think it possible to persuade anyone in this thread of your doctrine.Originally Posted by Redeemed by GraceYou have a wrong view in my opinion. Synergism isn't "man thinks it's all himself". You're just making that up. Your view constrains man to being a final control element of God. God's will is therefore not valueable to know or necessary to be declared. That makes everything that man does according to the will of God and thus not sinful except by arbitrary label. It really is this simple: Can man perform (or not) the will of God? Or is man always performing the will of God? You can whip up smoke and call it the deep end of the pool, but that deep end is simply where your doctrine doesn't meet with the example and purpose of scripture IMO.Originally Posted by Redeemed by Grace
Exodus 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
Now I don't know why God wrote it like that. Did God really wait to see if Moses was going to turn aside? Did God really wait to see if Abraham was intent on slaying Isaac? Did Jacob really wrestle with God and receive a blessing and a new name? Did God really wait to see if Israel would obey His commandments and serve Him? Did God really mean it when He said through Samuel that He would have established Saul's kingdom over Israel forever? I'm not going to quote the whole Bible here. Your view does not reconcile with how God portrays Himself and His interaction and expectation of man in the Bible.
All that being said, I enjoy discussing this with you as always. I am glad you are here and spend the time discussing these things and offering your insight. I disagree with your understanding and application of the will of God, but I respect your viewpoint.