But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved?

[My heart's Desire]

The scripture says that he will save those that wait for him at his return:

Hebrews 9.28: ... so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.


God bless you!

Firstfruits

Doesn't matter. Saved means safe, rescued and deliverance as well. Of course He will save those who already are saved. I'm aware that people have different reasons they want Christ to delay His coming but it really concerns me when people say they are afraid of His coming and some do say that. Could it be they are unsure of their position with Christ that they fear His appearing? Wouldn't that be the same reason they also fear death?
They certainly would not be eagerly awaiting Him.
This is why I cherish so much Heb. 2:13-15
And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

[My heart's Desire]

Hebrews 9.28: ... so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

If we endure until he returns we know that we have no need to fear.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Where do you see the word "endure" in this verse?

[theBelovedDisciple]

That's why I love this verse so much. Obviously it is those who know their sin was already dealt with at the Cross who will be eagerly waiting for Him at His coming. They know that they are saved and have no fear that Christ will reject them for any reason when He comes so they eagerly wait for Him.

and those who are His... will not be Ashamed at His Coming... that's why He tells us to be sober and vigilant... to be 'found in Him'..... put on the bowels of the mercies of Christ.. be patient.. for the coming of the Lord Draweth Nigh...

and He is ABLE.. to 'keep you.'... putting the focus of enduring to the end on God.. you get your strength, wisdom and power FROM HIM.. God is able to Keep you.. it's not you nor I 'keeping' ourselves...out of our own works of Righteousness.or our own power.. always doubting and biting our teeth.. worried if we've lost our salvation or maybe God Has abandoned me....... . It's Him.... its not how much you can do.. or how well you do it... He is able to 'keep' you to the end.. You draw strength from Him.. He is able and WILL help you endure... to the End... for it is His Will from the Beginning.. that ye should endure..to the End..

the Elect of God will endure.. and its because He is Able... and the Elect of God.. 'know' they have been elected and chosen by God Himself...

satan's target has always been the Elect.. he despises them.. he hates them with a passion.. because they Trust and Believe on what Jesus the Christ Completed at Calvary with Perfection.. they are 100% totally dependant on God in everything in their lives...

Savlation from the start to finish.. belongs to God.. not man..

[Sirus]

Greetings Markedward,

I agree, and now find myself wondering who would give up faith unto salvation? Is this possible since we are being kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation?

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Many Blessings,
RW

well it says 'through' faith. If they give up the faith they won't be kept by the power of God.

[divaD]

well it says 'through' faith. If they give up the faith they won't be kept by the power of God.

That is exactly the way I read it also. It specifically states thru the faith of the one believing. Take that faith away, the power of God would be of no affect.

[Partaker of Christ]

well it says 'through' faith. If they give up the faith they won't be kept by the power of God.

Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

In Matthew it says, the good ground is those who heard the word and understood it. They are the ones who WILL keep it, and bare fruit with patience.

[RogerW]

well it says 'through' faith. If they give up the faith they won't be kept by the power of God.

Hi Sirus,

But is it wise to separate this faith from grace that saves? Grace and faith are part and parcel of the same package, we cannot have one without the other. Many think and even state we are saved by faith, and often even think that salvation is by faith through grace. Now its true we must have both grace and faith, but is it true that we are saved by faith through grace? That places the burden of salvation upon the faith of fallen man. It says show God your faith and He'll extend to you His grace. Not quite!

We are saved by grace 'through' faith that is not our own but part and parcel of the gift of God's grace, not of works lest any man should boast. Since the faith we receive unto salvation is part of the whole package, extending from God's grace, and being kept by the power of God...how can anyone receiving this gift of faith give it up?

Many blessings,
RW

[RogerW]

That is exactly the way I read it also. It specifically states thru the faith of the one believing. Take that faith away, the power of God would be of no affect.

Hi David,

This is true if the faith we are relying on is not unto salvation. In other words faith that can and often does fade away is believing Who Christ is without acknowledging Him as our Saviour; i.e. no heart change.

Many Blessings,
RW

[divaD]

Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

In Matthew it says, the good ground is those who heard the word and understood it. They are the ones who WILL keep it, and bare fruit with patience.

I agree...and the following is my own little interpretation of how I understand this.



Luke 8:4 And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:
5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.

In every case, it was the individual that caused the circumstance, The following is the explanation of verse 5, according to Jesus.

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

As one can clearly see, the individual, after hearing, allowed the devil to come and take away the word out of their hearts, not they should believe and be saved. This group was never saved, because even tho they heard, they never believed.


Luke 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

This group was clearly saved, because it states they believed for awhile, but in the time of temptation, they fell away. Can't fall away from something one never had in the first place.


Luke 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.

Luke 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.


These are also saved, but in my opin these will be the ones like some of our modern day preachers and teachers, who make a sizable income off of the sheep. And since they bring no fruit to perfection, they will be severed from the vine, who's end is to be burned.


No need to mention the last group, these are saved and keep their salvation. Why?

Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

As one should clearly be able to see, it is the individual himself that causes his own outcome.
IOW, all of those not on the good ground, could just as easily have been on the good ground as those on the good ground. They only have themselves to blame.

[Firefighter]

how can anyone receiving this gift of faith give it up?

What if they wanted to??? What if something happens so tragic that they curse God and want nothing else to do with Him? Does God then force them against their will?

How about those that God doesn't choose to save? Does God not extend to them the grace and faith needed?

How about those that God does extend grace and faith to, are they unable to reject this gift?

[RogerW]

What if they wanted to??? What if something happens so tragic that they curse God and want nothing else to do with Him? Does God then force them against their will?

Greetings Urban Missionary,

How could this happen to the one who has been saved by grace since Scripture promises "all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose" (Ro 8:28)? God does not force His will upon any man. He changes our will by giving us a new heart and His Spirit. So if someone who appears to have been born again turns away from God, I would have to conclude they had never truly been born again of the Spirit. Remember Scripture tells us that not every one who says to Him Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven (Mt 7:21).

Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

How about those that God doesn't choose to save? Does God not extend to them the grace and faith needed?

This is looking at predestination and election from a negative perspective. God didn't have to choose to save any man. None of us are deserving of God's mercy and grace. If God had not chosen to intervene in the hearts of some men, then no man would be saved. If no man would be saved then the whole creation for which God so loves would cease to exist. Man would finally altogether destroy everything that God created. Therefore God has determined in eternity, before creation to save a people for Himself. In this the world and all that He created will be preserved forever. No, God has chosen not to extend grace and faith to every man, but we have no right to question God about whom He chooses to show mercy and grace. He is the Potter, we the clay, He will have mercy and compassion on whosoever He wills.

How about those that God does extend grace and faith to, are they unable to reject this gift?

This is not the way of salvation. Eternal life is not a free gift offered to be accepted or rejected. Eternal life is a free gift GIVEN to all who are given the gift of faith to believe. Since salvation beginning with regeneration, then sanctification and finally glorification is all the work of God through us, it is impossible for any to reject the gift of life GIVEN by God. What He begins He will complete until the final day.

Many Blessings,
RW

[Firstfruits]

Doesn't matter. Saved means safe, rescued and deliverance as well. Of course He will save those who already are saved. I'm aware that people have different reasons they want Christ to delay His coming but it really concerns me when people say they are afraid of His coming and some do say that. Could it be they are unsure of their position with Christ that they fear His appearing? Wouldn't that be the same reason they also fear death?
They certainly would not be eagerly awaiting Him.
This is why I cherish so much Heb. 2:13-15
And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

If we are already safe why would he need to save us, and from what?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[Firstfruits]

Where do you see the word "endure" in this verse?

While we are waiting for the Lord to return are we not enduring persecutions and temptations?

Do we not need to endure untill the end?

God bless!

Firstfruits

[Firstfruits]

well it says 'through' faith. If they give up the faith they won't be kept by the power of God.

Thanks Sirus,

Amen!

Firstfruits

[Firstfruits]

Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

In Matthew it says, the good ground is those who heard the word and understood it. They are the ones who WILL keep it, and bare fruit with patience.

Does keeping the word mean that we never sin, never doubt, never falter?

God bless you!

Firstfruits