If we are in the millenium?????

**Desperaux** · Aug 28th 2009, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Instrument

Greetings.

I think Zac 14 will happen after that the fullness of the Gentiles have entered to the Kingdom of God, then God will remove the hardening of the Jews.

But this will happen just before the Second Coming of Christ.

Blessings.

We aren't going to literally enter the Kingdom until Jesus comes again first.

**Instrument** · Aug 28th 2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Desperaux

Sorry, but you are making an error. You seem to need a bit more study and seeking to understand, I believe. Hades and Sheol are synonymous with the grave all throughout Scripture.

are you Adventist? Or perhaps are you "Jehovah's Witness"?

Hades is the hell. ¿understood? the hell.
when someone dies, his body remains in the grave, but his soul goes to heaven or hell.

Christ died (his Body), then he went to hell (His Soul), and then He rose bodily and ascended to Heaven.

That is the Christian faith for 2009 years.

Blessings.

**Instrument** · Aug 28th 2009, 04:56 PM

We are not going to literally enter the Kingdom until Jesus comes again first.

the Church is the Kingdom of God here on Earth. Every man is borned again, has already entered the Kingdom of God.

You, Christ already reigns at the right hand of the Father.

**Desperaux** · Aug 28th 2009, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Instrument

are you Adventist? Or perhaps are you "Jehovah's Witness"?

Hades is the hell. ¿understood? the hell.
when someone dies, his body remains in the grave, but his soul goes to heaven or hell.

Christ died (his Body), then he went to hell (His Soul), and then He rose bodily and ascended to Heaven.

That is the Christian faith for 2009 years.

Blessings.

There is not one Bible teacher or scholar that would agree with you that I know.

Hades or Sheol are words used to refer to the grave--always. whena person dies, if he is a Christian, his spirit goes to God. If he is an unbeliever, his spirit goes to Hades, the place of the dead--the grave--where he waits for his own resurrection to the Great White Throne judgment, which happens to take place after the Millennium, and after Satan and his cronies are cast into the lake of Fire.

Christ died, His SPIRIT went to Hades to the place where the righteous were waiting for their Messiah and released them from that form of captivity and after they were able to see their messiah, they were able to enter heaven along with Him.

The BIBLE teaches this, and my faith in Jesus Christ has caused me to search the Word to find out the truth.

Revelation 20:1-3

The Thousand Years

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the bottomless pit (Abyss) and a heavy chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon—that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan—and bound him in chains for a thousand years. 3 The angel threw him into the bottomless pit, which he then shut and locked so Satan could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. Afterward he must be released for a little while.
7 When the thousand years come to an end, Satan will be let out of his prison. 8 He will go out to deceive the nations—called Gog and Magog—in every corner of the earth. He will gather them together for battle—a mighty army, as numberless as sand along the seashore. 9 And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded God’s people and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them. 10 Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The Final Judgment--AFTER the MILLENNIUM:

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. 12 I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave (Hades) gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15 And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

**Desperaux** · Aug 28th 2009, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Instrument

the Church is the Kingdom of God here on Earth. Every man is borned again, has already entered the Kingdom of God.

You, Christ already reigns at the right hand of the Father.

There will be a physical Kingdom on Earth where Jesus will reign, and we with Him.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years.

It seems that you may have missed the entire chapter of Revelation 20!

**Instrument** · Aug 28th 2009, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Desperaux

There is not one Bible teacher or scholar that would agree with you that I know.

It must be that you have not studied the historical doctrine of Christianity.
Those who teach that the soul of the people remains in the grave until the second coming of Christ, are Jehovah's Witnesses.

If you read the Fathers of the Church and the Reformers, none teach what you say.

There will be a physical Kingdom on Earth where Jesus will reign, and we with Him.

Yes, but Christ already reing. And the saints reing with Him.

**Desperaux** · Aug 28th 2009, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Instrument

It must be that you have not studied the historical doctrine of Christianity.
Those who teach that the soul of the people remains in the grave until the second coming of Christ, are Jehovah's Witnesses.

If you read the Fathers of the Church and the Reformers, niguno teach what you say.

It seems that your studies are short some truth. I don't believe that the spirits of the dead in christ stay in the grave! those who do not know Him also do not remain in the earth--but their spirits go to Hades where they await their own brand of resurrection to Judgment.

The Bible teaches this...I don't give a fig what some so-called church fathers say. What is your label?

**Desperaux** · Aug 28th 2009, 05:23 PM

Yes, but Christ already reing. And the saints reing with Him.

Jesus reigns in our hearts and lives, but we have not yet come into the Kingdom on Earth that the bible talks about.

Why are you in denial of this teaching which is clear in Scripture?

***revrobor*** · Aug 28th 2009, 07:10 PM

Sheol = grave, Hades = holding place for the unrighteous dead, Gehenna = Hell, Paradise = holding place for the righteous dead, Heaven = God's domain ("headquarters").

**Desperaux** · Aug 28th 2009, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by revrobor

Sheol = grave, Hades = holding place for the unrighteous dead, Gehenna = Hell, Paradise = holding place for the righteous dead, Heaven = God's domain ("headquarters").

Thanks!

***divaD*** · Aug 28th 2009, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Desperaux

Thanks!

Now that we got all that out of the way and settled, can we then get back on topic

**Desperaux** · Aug 28th 2009, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by divaD

Now that we got all that out of the way and settled, can we then get back on topic

For sure! I apologize if you believe I was party to any derailing. Sometimes discussion stops until correction can be made. It's a good thing.

***divaD*** · Aug 28th 2009, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Desperaux

For sure! I apologize if you believe I was party to any derailing. Sometimes discussion stops until correction can be made. It's a good thing.

Nothing to apologize for. I do the same thing myself many times. A lot of times I will respond to what someone had stated, then realize that what they stated isn't even relevant to the discussion, yet wondering why they brought it up in the first place, since it's not relevant to the discussion, lol.

**Instrument** · Aug 28th 2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Desperaux

It seems that your studies are short some truth. I don't believe that the spirits of the dead in christ stay in the grave! those who do not know Him also do not remain in the earth--but their spirits go to Hades where they await their own brand of resurrection to Judgment.

NO.

Hades= Hell

The Bible teaches this

...I don't give a fig what some so-called church fathers say. What is your label?

Bible doesn't say that.

fathers of the church are those apologists of the faith who lived between the ages II - v.

**Instrument** · Aug 28th 2009, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by revrobor

Sheol = grave, Hades = holding place for the unrighteous dead, Gehenna = Hell, Paradise = holding place for the righteous dead, Heaven = God's domain ("headquarters").

¿can you say me about who is talking here?

Acts
2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

thaks for respond it.