a little season.....

[divaD]

Lately I have been rethinking my current position, in this case..premil. I honestly want to be objective, but try as I may, I seem to go out of my way to convince myself that my current understanding is correct. It may very indeed be correct, but there's also that possibility that it isn't.

When it comes to the book of Revelation, I don't believe in coincedences. If a same phrase is used more than once in different parts of the book, then it would seem highly probable that they're related to one another in some sense.

Take the following 2 phrases for example.

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


In Revelation 6:11, and at the opening of the 5th seal, we see that some martyered saints were given white robes, and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Then in Revelation 20:3, we see that satan, at the beginning of the 1000 yrs, is cast into the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal set upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


It would seem to me, that those fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs during the little season the other martyered saints are told to rest during. According to Revelation 20:3, satan is loosed for a little season. Isn't it satan that wages war against these saints and kills them?

My biggest hurdle here is this 1000 yrs, because it is only after this 1000 yrs, then is satan loosed for a little season. According to Revelation 20:4, unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems to indicate that all the fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs prior to the beginning of the 1000 yrs. And according to Rev 20:3, satan isn't let loose until after that 1000 yrs expires.

With all that in mind, somehow, the little season in Revelation 6:11 should be the same little season that satan is loosed, but I can't get it to agree with the text. In my mind, that's the main idea, our understanding has to agree with the text.

[Firstfruits]

Lately I have been rethinking my current position, in this case..premil. I honestly want to be objective, but try as I may, I seem to go out of my way to convince myself that my current understanding is correct. It may very indeed be correct, but there's also that possibility that it isn't.

When it comes to the book of Revelation, I don't believe in coincedences. If a same phrase is used more than once in different parts of the book, then it would seem highly probable that they're related to one another in some sense.

Take the following 2 phrases for example.

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


In Revelation 6:11, and at the opening of the 5th seal, we see that some martyered saints were given white robes, and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Then in Revelation 20:3, we see that satan, at the beginning of the 1000 yrs, is cast into the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal set upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


It would seem to me, that those fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs during the little season the other martyered saints are told to rest during. According to Revelation 20:3, satan is loosed for a little season. Isn't it satan that wages war against these saints and kills them?

My biggest hurdle here is this 1000 yrs, because it is only after this 1000 yrs, then is satan loosed for a little season. According to Revelation 20:4, unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems to indicate that all the fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs prior to the beginning of the 1000 yrs. And according to Rev 20:3, satan isn't let loose until after that 1000 yrs expires.

With all that in mind, somehow, the little season in Revelation 6:11 should be the same little season that satan is loosed, but I can't get it to agree with the text. In my mind, that's the main idea, our understanding has to agree with the text.

The little season in Rev.6:11 is not the same as when satan is loosed.

Satan would have to finish killing those in the first resurection before he is bound otherwise they would not be able to reign with Christ during the millenium at the same time as satan is to be bound. Until those in the first resurrection are killed Jesus will not begin to punish those thjat caused their deaths.

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

What is the punishment that is poured out according to the scriptures?

God bles you!

Firstfruits

[DurbanDude]

Lately I have been rethinking my current position, in this case..premil. I honestly want to be objective, but try as I may, I seem to go out of my way to convince myself that my current understanding is correct. It may very indeed be correct, but there's also that possibility that it isn't.

When it comes to the book of Revelation, I don't believe in coincedences. If a same phrase is used more than once in different parts of the book, then it would seem highly probable that they're related to one another in some sense.

Take the following 2 phrases for example.

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


In Revelation 6:11, and at the opening of the 5th seal, we see that some martyered saints were given white robes, and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Then in Revelation 20:3, we see that satan, at the beginning of the 1000 yrs, is cast into the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal set upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


It would seem to me, that those fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs during the little season the other martyered saints are told to rest during. According to Revelation 20:3, satan is loosed for a little season. Isn't it satan that wages war against these saints and kills them?

My biggest hurdle here is this 1000 yrs, because it is only after this 1000 yrs, then is satan loosed for a little season. According to Revelation 20:4, unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems to indicate that all the fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs prior to the beginning of the 1000 yrs. And according to Rev 20:3, satan isn't let loose until after that 1000 yrs expires.

With all that in mind, somehow, the little season in Revelation 6:11 should be the same little season that satan is loosed, but I can't get it to agree with the text. In my mind, that's the main idea, our understanding has to agree with the text.

David, just because the same type of phrase is used, does not mean that it is the same period. Maybe a "little season" just means "a little season".

Yes there will be two separate short periods when Satan is deceiving the nations, but they are definitely separate. The one period ends with the gathering of armies to Jerusalem, while other individuals are still in their beds, getting married, working in their fields.This ends with the second coming, and a great earthquake where the scattered hide from Jesus.This is just after the attack from Gog and the eastern and northern armies.

The other involves the gathering of EVERY individual to Jerusalem, and their destruction by fire. The bible is clear that the attacking nations are from the FOUR quarters of earth, not just the one quarter (Gog).


So many examples come immediately to mind of similar phrases used for completely different events. Hebrew did not have many words back then, there would be this overlap of word usage.

If you became amill, then using the same logic, why do they separate the abominations? Or separate the 3.5 year periods which to premills are all so obviously the same period, yet to amills are often referring to various historic periods?

The same phrase "day of the Lord" is used in Zech 14 and in NT second coming verses. This is a much stronger end-times phrase than "little season". Us premills know that the term "day of the Lord" is consistently used to refer to the second coming, and Zech 14 is also referring to this day. So why start using this phrase to refer to the first advent and the second as well?

If you became amill because of the logic proposed in your post, I would use the same logic against you for more important phrases many times over, because I also like consistency in language but believe the premill view is way stronger on that than the amill view.

In this particular case , a short period of time, is just a short period of time. If both periods were described as 3.5 years, then maybe I would think twice, but I have a feeling that when satan is loosed at the end of the thousand years it will be even shorter than 3.5 years.

[divaD]

David, just because the same type of phrase is used, does not mean that it is the same period. Maybe a "little season" just means "a little season".

Yes there will be two separate short periods when Satan is deceiving the nations, but they are definitely separate. The one period ends with the gathering of armies to Jerusalem, while other individuals are still in their beds, getting married, working in their fields.This ends with the second coming, and a great earthquake where the scattered hide from Jesus.This is just after the attack from Gog and the eastern and northern armies.

The other involves the gathering of EVERY individual to Jerusalem, and their destruction by fire. The bible is clear that the attacking nations are from the FOUR quarters of earth, not just the one quarter (Gog).


So many examples come immediately to mind of similar phrases used for completely different events. Hebrew did not have many words back then, there would be this overlap of word usage.

If you became amill, then using the same logic, why do they separate the abominations? Or separate the 3.5 year periods which to premills are all so obviously the same period, yet to amills are often referring to various historic periods?

The same phrase "day of the Lord" is used in Zech 14 and in NT second coming verses. This is a much stronger end-times phrase than "little season". Us premills know that the term "day of the Lord" is consistently used to refer to the second coming, and Zech 14 is also referring to this day. So why start using this phrase to refer to the first advent and the second as well?

If you became amill because of the logic proposed in your post, I would use the same logic against you for more important phrases many times over, because I also like consistency in language but believe the premill view is way stronger on that than the amill view.

In this particular case , a short period of time, is just a short period of time. If both periods were described as 3.5 years, then maybe I would think twice, but I have a feeling that when satan is loosed at the end of the thousand years it will be even shorter than 3.5 years.

Hi DurbanDude. Thanks for the post. I believe you brought me back to my senses. I need to stick with what I understand, because, clearly, what I understand doesn't require one to manipulate the text in such a manner, so that that it agrees with you, and not with what is written. Even tho I've been rethinking my position, the truth is, the premil position is the correct position.


Unless someone can show how the little season in Rev 6 is the same little season of Rev 20, I think I will just abandon that idea, because clearly, I can't get it to agree with the text, even tho in some sense, it seems logical that it might be related.

[John146]

Lately I have been rethinking my current position, in this case..premil. I honestly want to be objective, but try as I may, I seem to go out of my way to convince myself that my current understanding is correct. It may very indeed be correct, but there's also that possibility that it isn't.

When it comes to the book of Revelation, I don't believe in coincedences. If a same phrase is used more than once in different parts of the book, then it would seem highly probable that they're related to one another in some sense.

Take the following 2 phrases for example.

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


In Revelation 6:11, and at the opening of the 5th seal, we see that some martyered saints were given white robes, and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Then in Revelation 20:3, we see that satan, at the beginning of the 1000 yrs, is cast into the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal set upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


It would seem to me, that those fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs during the little season the other martyered saints are told to rest during. According to Revelation 20:3, satan is loosed for a little season. Isn't it satan that wages war against these saints and kills them?

Yes, I believe so. I believe when Satan is loosed, not only will the level of deception rise but so will the amount of persecution that we see on a worldwide basis. There's always been deception and persecution but during Satan's little season it will be escalated. I believe that time period is what Paul is alluding to in 2 Thess 2.

My biggest hurdle here is this 1000 yrs, because it is only after this 1000 yrs, then is satan loosed for a little season. According to Revelation 20:4, unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems to indicate that all the fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs prior to the beginning of the 1000 yrs. And according to Rev 20:3, satan isn't let loose until after that 1000 yrs expires.

With all that in mind, somehow, the little season in Revelation 6:11 should be the same little season that satan is loosed, but I can't get it to agree with the text. In my mind, that's the main idea, our understanding has to agree with the text.

In the amil view that isn't a problem.

[Desperaux]

When the word of God uses the phrase, "a little season", it simply means a little while. I don't think we ought to read much into it other than that.

[RogerW]

Lately I have been rethinking my current position, in this case..premil. I honestly want to be objective, but try as I may, I seem to go out of my way to convince myself that my current understanding is correct. It may very indeed be correct, but there's also that possibility that it isn't.

When it comes to the book of Revelation, I don't believe in coincedences. If a same phrase is used more than once in different parts of the book, then it would seem highly probable that they're related to one another in some sense.

Take the following 2 phrases for example.

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

In Revelation 6:11, and at the opening of the 5th seal, we see that some martyered saints were given white robes, and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Then in Revelation 20:3, we see that satan, at the beginning of the 1000 yrs, is cast into the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal set upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

It would seem to me, that those fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs during the little season the other martyered saints are told to rest during. According to Revelation 20:3, satan is loosed for a little season. Isn't it satan that wages war against these saints and kills them?

My biggest hurdle here is this 1000 yrs, because it is only after this 1000 yrs, then is satan loosed for a little season. According to Revelation 20:4, unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems to indicate that all the fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs prior to the beginning of the 1000 yrs. And according to Rev 20:3, satan isn't let loose until after that 1000 yrs expires.

With all that in mind, somehow, the little season in Revelation 6:11 should be the same little season that satan is loosed, but I can't get it to agree with the text. In my mind, that's the main idea, our understanding has to agree with the text.

Hi David,

"Little season" is a way of saying that Satan knows he has a fixed or limited amount of time. At the beginning of the NT church era, when Satan is cast unto the earth because of Christ's victory at the cross and resurrection, he has great wrath because he knows that he has a limited or short amount of time to try to prevent the Kingdom of God from being completed. This time is measured symbolically as 1000 years.

Re 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Satan is not being loosed at the end of this "little season" or "short time" to begin to deceive, but to gather together those whom he has already deceived. The Lord allows Satan to gather his great army together for the final destruction when He send fire from heaven to devour them all.

Re 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season [a small space of time].

Re 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Re 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Re 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 6:11...they should rest until the time Satan has been given is complete.

Many Blessings,
RW

[ross3421]

Lately I have been rethinking my current position, in this case..premil. I honestly want to be objective, but try as I may, I seem to go out of my way to convince myself that my current understanding is correct. It may very indeed be correct, but there's also that possibility that it isn't.

When it comes to the book of Revelation, I don't believe in coincedences. If a same phrase is used more than once in different parts of the book, then it would seem highly probable that they're related to one another in some sense.

Take the following 2 phrases for example.

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


In Revelation 6:11, and at the opening of the 5th seal, we see that some martyered saints were given white robes, and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Then in Revelation 20:3, we see that satan, at the beginning of the 1000 yrs, is cast into the bottomless pit, and shut up, and a seal set upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


It would seem to me, that those fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs during the little season the other martyered saints are told to rest during. According to Revelation 20:3, satan is loosed for a little season. Isn't it satan that wages war against these saints and kills them?

My biggest hurdle here is this 1000 yrs, because it is only after this 1000 yrs, then is satan loosed for a little season. According to Revelation 20:4, unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems to indicate that all the fellowservants, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled, occurs prior to the beginning of the 1000 yrs. And according to Rev 20:3, satan isn't let loose until after that 1000 yrs expires.

With all that in mind, somehow, the little season in Revelation 6:11 should be the same little season that satan is loosed, but I can't get it to agree with the text. In my mind, that's the main idea, our understanding has to agree with the text.

They are the same.

Hopefully your on the same road I took some years ago....... I notice that many events like this "little season" seemed to replicate and I could not imagine there being two of these little seasons. Other events were the abysses being opened twice and an entity coming up upon the earth and so on.

The following is from my thread on this ........

Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL . Study the following....


Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return

2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.

Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.

Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.


Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years

Rev 12:9,12 - “and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12)…..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 17:8,10 - “the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition…..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space”.

Rev 11:7 - “and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit…..”


Mark

[ross3421]

Satan would have to finish killing those in the first resurrection before he is bound otherwise they would not be able to reign with Christ during the millennium at the same time as Satan is to be bound. Until those in the first resurrection are killed Jesus will not begin to punish those that caused their deaths.

Is it possible that Satan will be bound and released yet and prior to Christ's return? We sure see evidence that he comes up from the pit prior to Christ return so it would be understood that he is cast into the pit to be in the pit.

Can he really be loosened twice?

I think Rev 12 shows this in entirety, Satan cast out from heaven into the pit and then back upon earth. Rev 13 shows us this dragon being cast upon the earth.




Mark

[ross3421]

Yes there will be two separate short periods when Satan is deceiving the nations, but they are definitely separate. The one period ends with the gathering of armies to Jerusalem, while other individuals are still in their beds, getting married, working in their fields.This ends with the second coming, and a great earthquake where the scattered hide from Jesus.This is just after the attack from Gog and the eastern and northern armies.

So are there also two seperate times which Satan is cast out of the pit? So then both would be for the same period of time.

Re 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Re 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Re 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


Now when you say the beast and Satan are not the same, a man cannot come up from the pit is has to be a spirit and that can only be the Devil himself.


Mark

[ross3421]

Hi DurbanDude. Thanks for the post. I believe you brought me back to my senses. I need to stick with what I understand, because, clearly, what I understand doesn't require one to manipulate the text in such a manner, so that that it agrees with you, and not with what is written. Even tho I've been rethinking my position, the truth is, the premil position is the correct position.


Unless someone can show how the little season in Rev 6 is the same little season of Rev 20, I think I will just abandon that idea, because clearly, I can't get it to agree with the text, even tho in some sense, it seems logical that it might be related.

Don't give up so easy, your on the right trail...... study who and what ascends out of the pit prior to Christ's return. Does THIS happen twice?

1. Would the pit even be opnened twice to release an entity?
2. If it were opened twice then it would have to be shut twice.
3. If they are different entities coming up from the pit before and after Christ's return, then who come up prior?

If after answering these question you say....

1. No
2. Not possible, no scripture
3. Have to be the same

then the time which both would come up from the pit would be the same.

Mark

[divaD]

Don't give up so easy, your on the right trail...... study who and what ascends out of the pit prior to Christ's return. Does THIS happen twice?

1. Would the pit even be opnened twice to release an entity?
2. If it were opened twice then it would have to be shut twice.
3. If they are different entities coming up from the pit before and after Christ's return, then who come up prior?

If after answering these question you say....

1. No
2. Not possible, no scripture
3. Have to be the same

then the time which both would come up from the pit would be the same.

Mark

You probably won't find the following convincing. But anyway, here's my own personal understanding, a lot of it I'm only guessing on, but still, it appears to me to align with what is written.


Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Revelation 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


These angels in Jude 1:6 are the ones that I believe are let loose from the pit. This would would mean that they were previously shut up in it. Because it says "the judgment of the great day", this aligns perfectly with the following:

Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.


The judgment of that great day in Jude 1:6 is this same battle of that great day of God Almighty in Rev 16:14.


Something else to take note of.

Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.


and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth

According to the Greek, the sense here can be like thrust down, or it could even mean descending from a higher place to a lower place, such as from heaven onto the earth. If it's the former, then this could be
Revelation 12:9 being fullfilled, the casting of satan literally down to the earth. And since he is given the key to the bottomless pit(wouldn't he be the king over the pit?), he then lets out his angels that have been bound there for ages.

[Firstfruits]

Is it possible that Satan will be bound and released yet and prior to Christ's return? We sure see evidence that he comes up from the pit prior to Christ return so it would be understood that he is cast into the pit to be in the pit.

Can he really be loosened twice?

I think Rev 12 shows this in entirety, Satan cast out from heaven into the pit and then back upon earth. Rev 13 shows us this dragon being cast upon the earth.




Mark

Rev.20:1-3 is where satan is bound in the bottomless pit, and Rev.9:2 is when the bottomless pit is opened. This is just before Jesus returns at the 7th trumpet.

Satan is bound once and loosed once.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[Desperaux]

Is it possible that Satan will be bound and released yet and prior to Christ's return? We sure see evidence that he comes up from the pit prior to Christ return so it would be understood that he is cast into the pit to be in the pit.

Can he really be loosened twice?

I think Rev 12 shows this in entirety, Satan cast out from heaven into the pit and then back upon earth. Rev 13 shows us this dragon being cast upon the earth.




Mark

Satan isn't in any pit. He is free to roam and always has been. His confinement to the abyss occurs after Jesus comes in glory.

[ross3421]

Rev.20:1-3 is where satan is bound in the bottomless pit, and Rev.9:2 is when the bottomless pit is opened. This is just before Jesus returns at the 7th trumpet.

Satan is bound once and loosed once.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

Who is the beast which comes up from the pit prior to Christ's return here?

Re 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Re 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Would it not be Satan?