70 weeks till the full Gospel.

[jeffweeder]

　
"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy [Lit prophet ]
and to anoint the most holy place.


　
　
All of those points were to be fulfilled in 70 weeks.
I would go so far as to say that they were all fulfilled in the 70th week as Messiah arrives to do his work after 69 weeks have passed.
　
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"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

　

Which of those 6 points could be fulfilled without the ministry of Jesus?

I believe it is the work of redemption that the 70 weeks promises, the full Gospel of salvation to the Jewish people first, then to the Gentiles.

What Jesus delivered unto us was a complete Redemption, so we can preach the full Gospel.


Heb 9
and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.


Heb 9
For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance


Heb 9
Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

JOHN 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world



Is 53
But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.

HEBREWS 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.




ROMANS 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ


Blessed be Jesus Christ forever and ever for his most perfect work for us.

　

[Cyberseeker]

　
"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy [Lit prophet ]
and to anoint the most holy place.


　
　
All of those points were to be fulfilled in 70 weeks.
I would go so far as to say that they were all fulfilled in the 70th week as Messiah arrives to do his work after 69 weeks have passed.

I agree Jeff. But no doubt someone will say, "Heh, I just done a sin yesterday," completely missing the point.

[Beckrl]

Good Post

[John146]

I agree, too, Jeff. I believe many have completely misunderstood Daniel 9:24 and don't understand that only Jesus could fulfill those things. And He did, as the verses you quoted and many others show.

[sudds]

Good post and good replies.

I'll go as far to say that ALL OT prophesies were fulfilled with Jesus - specifically, 3.5 yrs after the resurrection.

Luke 18:31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.

Some have said in this forum that the destruction of Jerusalem is prophesied in the OT. And, indeed it is. Jesus proclaimed it desolate in the following verses.

Matthew 23:38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.

We must remember that God comes to us in His Word from a spiritual perspective. Of course, Jerusalem was physically destroyed 40 yrs after Jesus had already announced it's destruction. Jesus prophesied this destruction in the above passage and it was spiritually destroyed a few days later at either the crucifixion or resurrection (not sure which).

Daniel 12 and Judgment Day? I've said in other posts that I firmly believe that some sort of Judgment of OT people occurred with the resurrection of Jesus - this concept explains Matthew 27:52-53.

The only OT prophesy that I've found that Jesus didn't fulfill is Obadiah 18. This passage was fulfilled when the last of the Herods died in 100 AD. There may be others, but I havn't found them.

Obadiah 18. The house of Jacob will be a fire and the house of Joseph a flame; the house of Esau will be stubble, and they will set it on fire and consume it. There will be no survivors from the house of Esau." The LORD has spoken.

Hope I didn't get too far off the topic Jeff.

[John146]

Good post and good replies.

I'll go as far to say that ALL OT prophesies were fulfilled with Jesus - specifically, 3.5 yrs after the resurrection.

Luke 18:31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.

Some have said in this forum that the destruction of Jerusalem is prophesied in the OT. And, indeed it is. Jesus proclaimed it desolate in the following verses.

Matthew 23:38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.

We must remember that God comes to us in His Word from a spiritual perspective. Of course, Jerusalem was physically destroyed 40 yrs after Jesus had already announced it's destruction. Jesus prophesied this destruction in the above passage and it was spiritually destroyed a few days later at either the crucifixion or resurrection (not sure which).

Daniel 12 and Judgment Day? I've said in other posts that I firmly believe that some sort of Judgment of OT people occurred with the resurrection of Jesus - this concept explains Matthew 27:52-53.

I don't agree with you here. Matthew 27:52-53 doesn't say anything about anyone being resurrected unto an eternal destiny of either everlasting life or everlasting contempt. I believe Daniel 12:2 is speaking of the same future resurrection of the dead that Jesus talks about in John 5:28-29.

[sudds]

John 146:
I don't agree with you here. Matthew 27:52-53 doesn't say anything about anyone being resurrected unto an eternal destiny of either everlasting life or everlasting contempt. I believe Daniel 12:2 is speaking of the same future resurrection of the dead that Jesus talks about in John 5:28-29

Matthew 27:52. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
Matthew 27:53. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people

I think the above event happened in the spiritual world. It would certainly have been "front page news" if it would have occurred in the physical realm not to mention the fact that Jerusalem was no longer a holy city after Jesus' resurrection. Heaven then became the holy city (Col 2:14).

So in my opinion, some sort of resurrection took place, no doubt different from the final resurrection as you mentioned in John 5.

[John146]

Matthew 27:52. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
Matthew 27:53. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people

I think the above event happened in the spiritual world. It would certainly have been "front page news" if it would have occurred in the physical realm not to mention the fact that Jerusalem was no longer a holy city after Jesus' resurrection. Heaven then became the holy city (Col 2:14).

So in my opinion, some sort of resurrection took place, no doubt different from the final resurrection as you mentioned in John 5.

It says their bodies were raised to life and they appeared to many people. So, I disagree with you completely, but at the same time I don't think this really has anything to do with the original topic, so I'm not going to say anymore about this here.

[jeffweeder]

Thankyou for the responses, feel free to discuss what you want as you all raise interesting points that id like to see develop.

I just want to say that we couldnt preach the Gospel unless Jesus had fulfilled the promise of Atonement and of being righteous in his eyes ,as he put away our sin forever from his sight.
This is what Daniel was promised, the Gospel of salvation...that made its way around the whole world, before the end comes.
Blessed be the name of Messiah forever.