Do Muslims & Christians Have the Same God?

[vja4Him]

Do Muslims and Christians have the same God? Is the God of the Christian Bible the same as Allah?

[daughter]

Do Muslims and Christians have the same God? Is the God of the Christian Bible the same as Allah?

NO.

Do Muslims believe that Jesus is God?

There's your answer.

[The Mighty Sword]

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre- Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre- Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god.

TheOld Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5.

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?




So, No.

[Athanasius]

Nope, they most definitely do not.

[vja4Him]

NO.

Do Muslims believe that Jesus is God?

There's your answer.

I believe that Allah is not the same as the Christian God, but it is not that simple to answer or discuss.

I started this post because I'm hoping that my son's teacher (7th grade) will check in here and follow the thread.

They have been teaching the students lies regarding Islam and Christianity, telling the students that Christians believe that Allah is the same God in the Bible.

I told my son to confront his teacher about this (my son and I had a long discussion about this last night), and respectfully tell his teacher that Muslims might believe that Allah is the same God as the Christian's have, but Christians do not believe that Allah is the same God in the Bible.

My son told his teacher that today, and the teacher said that is only paritially true. So, I'm wondering what they mean by that ....

I'd like to e-mail the teacher, but I'm afraid I might get myself into trouble (since I work at that school sometimes!)

[vja4Him]

Anyone have some ideas on how my son might approach this matter in his class?

Oh yes, another lie the teacher told the students is that Islam and Christianity are basically the same! Is this teacher an idiot, or do they have a hidden agenda ... ???

[The Mighty Sword]

I believe that Allah is not the same as the Christian God, but it is not that simple to answer or discuss.

I started this post because I'm hoping that my son's teacher (7th grade) will check in here and follow the thread.

They have been teaching the students lies regarding Islam and Christianity, telling the students that Christians believe that Allah is the same God in the Bible.

I told my son to confront his teacher about this (my son and I had a long discussion about this last night), and respectfully tell his teacher that Muslims might believe that Allah is the same God as the Christian's have, but Christians do not believe that Allah is the same God in the Bible.

My son told his teacher that today, and the teacher said that is only paritially true. So, I'm wondering what they mean by that ....

I'd like to e-mail the teacher, but I'm afraid I might get myself into trouble (since I work at that school sometimes!)

"They have been teaching the students lies regarding Islam and Christianity, telling the students that Christians believe that Allah is the same God in the Bible."



That is a great evil. Where's my Sword?

[vja4Him]

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre- Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre- Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god.

TheOld Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5.

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

So, No.

Could someone please post any sources, articles, videos, that would help to shed more light on this topic?

I just got a brainstorm on how I can approach my son's teacher with an e-mail message. I would like to have some links to send to the teacher, and also for my son to study.

[decrumpit]

In fact, he was the Moon-god.

Not to be picky, but Arabic Christians use "Allah" for God as well. If so then we both worship the same moon god.

But where the word comes from is not the issue, seeing as the French Dieu and Spanish Dios both come from the Greek Dios, meaning Zeus.

Here is John 1:1 in Arabic. Not the "الله" which is "Allah".

فِي الْبَدْءِ كَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ، وَالْكَلِمَةُ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللهِ. وَكَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ هُوَ اللهُ .

I just got a brainstorm on how I can approach my son's teacher with an e-mail message. I would like to have some links to send to the teacher, and also for my son to study.

http://www.gotquestions.org/same-God.html

Good popular Christian response.

http://fullnessoffaith.blogspot.com/...me-god-as.html

This is a Catholic response, seeing as the teacher could possibly object that the Catholic Church, a large Christian body, teaches that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

Possibly an Objection: Jews don't worship the same God.

Answer: Correct, because they deny the Trinity.

Any person who denies the Trinity, divinity of Christ, etc. is not a Christian. Anyone who doesn't believe that Mohammed is a prophet is not a Muslim. However, just because Christian denominations disagree on minor points would not make them worship a different God.

A good analogy would be a man named John. If two people claim to know him, and one says he is a white doctor in California and the other says he is a black lawyer in New York, you can be sure they are talking about different people, despite the fact that they share a few similarities (both are professional men).

But if two people claim to know him, and one says he is 5'11" and the other says he is 6'0", then it is possible a minor perceptual error has occurred and they are talking about the same person.

Hope this helps.

[Firefighter]

I started this post because I'm hoping that my son's teacher (7th grade) will check in here and follow the thread.

Is this teacher an idiot, or do they have a hidden agenda ... ???

Hidden agendas....

To answer your question, NO. Far from the same God.

Here are some links.

DISCLAIMER - I have not read every page word for word, but I did try to make sure that they were at least within the realms of orthodoxy, If I missed something, please let me know and I will delete the link.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm

http://www.geocities.com/stat23mj/cu...s/islam01.html

http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch3.html

This one is really good because it shows inconsistencies in the Quran.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/670-...tians-same-god

http://www.thespiritofislam.com/text/Q56.html"

[Steven3]

Hi Vja4Him

Do Muslims and Christians have the same God? Is the God of the Christian Bible the same as Allah?

The answer probably depends on whether the objective is offend muslims or convert them.

Paul said not to offend Greeks (who worshipped Zeus, etc). And Paul quoted Aratus' and Epimenides about Zeus in Athens (Acts 17) applying their words to God. Paul also speaks in Romans 1 about how ultimately Greeks are related to God in conscience and seeking God (even if the word used in Acts 17 indicates groping blindly in the darkness).

Now if that's a positive approach to preaching to Greeks, then to what is effectively a wayward branch of Christianity (the historical roots of Islam are in the Christian sects current in Arabia at the time of Muhammed - as illustrated by the Christology of the Quran, and the large amount of extra-Biblical Christian legendary material found in the Quran, Jesus making a clay bird that flew for example) what is wrong with Paul's non-offensive approach to the Greeks to those who already believe in the God of the Bible, albeit it in a distorted and filtered way.



Or again, we can set out to offend them. But I think Paul's approach works better.
S

[Athanasius]

Hi Vja4Him

The answer probably depends on whether the objective is offend muslims or convert them.

Paul said not to offend Greeks (who worshipped Zeus, etc). And Paul quoted Aratus' and Epimenides about Zeus in Athens (Acts 17) applying their words to God. Paul also speaks in Romans 1 about how ultimately Greeks are related to God in conscience and seeking God (even if the word used in Acts 17 indicates groping blindly in the darkness).

Now if that's a positive approach to preaching to Greeks, then to what is effectively a wayward branch of Christianity (the historical roots of Islam are in the Christian sects current in Arabia at the time of Muhammed - as illustrated by the Christology of the Quran, and the large amount of extra-Biblical Christian legendary material found in the Quran, Jesus making a clay bird that flew for example) what is wrong with Paul's non-offensive approach to the Greeks to those who already believe in the God of the Bible, albeit it in a distorted and filtered way.

Or again, we can set out to offend them. But I think Paul's approach works better.
S

So, what's your answer to the question?

[Steven3]

Here is a MUSLIM apologist denying that they are the same.
WARNING THIS IS THE MUSLIM POINT OF VIEW

MUSLIM DENYING THEY ARE THE SAME GOD

Labib Mikhail is not a muslim, he is a well-known Christian Pastor

[Firefighter]

How did I miss that??? I will correct it.

[Steven3]

Hello Xel'Naga

So, what's your answer to the question?

In terms of what's practical, or what's scriptural? (though I think both coincide)

Firstly, in terms of what is practical, I know from experience (in India) that the approach "you worship another God" is a disaster. I have discussed this with an Iraqi ex-moslem friend and he agrees this approach just winds muslims up.

Secondly, the only answer that matters would be Paul's. So our answer should be somewhere between Paul's answer when the same question is asked of the Jews - that they have "zeal without knowledge", and what he said of worshippers of Zeus in Acts 17 and Romans 1, groping blindly towards (or away from) the true God, To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. Though What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. -- but that was said to Zeus worshippers, who believed in Aphrodite, Apollo, Hermes, Bacchus, legends of Hercules, etc. and is not quite right for a group that knows Abraham, David, Jesus (even incorrectly), so presumably Paul would have said to muslims would be more like : What therefore you worship as partially known, this I proclaim to you.



In fact the above question is largely academic because in practice when you sit down with a muslim you start with the safest common ground, Abraham/Ibrahim... unless the objective is just to start a fight.