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    Question Am I being Paranoid?

    A lot of things have been on my mind lately and the circumstances are beginning to become to obvious to ignore (even for me and I am very skeptical).

    1) The other countries of the world, and even the US are unifying into regional unified governments.
    2) The state of the churches and their belief in the actual trueness of God's word is deteriorating especially among the larger denominations, even evangical churches.
    3) Natural disasters are increasing in frequency and in severity across the globe.
    4) The dollar which has up to recently been the standard of the global economy is on the verge of collapse and the formation of regional governments is leaning towards the establishment of a single currency.
    5) The Islamic religion is coming to the point where it will exceed Christianity as the main religion of the world.
    6) Countries in the Middle east now are capable of eliminating Israel and the 1 country that would support Israel is deteriorating economically, is militarily preoccupied, and it's leaders are largely reducing support to Israel.
    7). The one country (USA) that is one of the last bastions of non-government based control is gradually giving over power of all civil liberties to the government.
    8) With the invention of the internet, the word of God can now be spread throughout the world reaching all people.
    9) Israel is now a nation and has identified areas and prepared to rebuild the temple.
    10) There is a growing case of anti-Semitism in World Wide.

    I know some people look at the Roman government as a fulfillment of revelations but it simply falls short. The Roman government wasn't
    1) World wide
    2) Technologically capable of meeting the requirements of revelations.
    3) Lack of natural disasters.
    4) Lack of unified force from the east.
    5) Lack of centralized independent Israel
    6) Lack of worldwide knowledge of Christ.

    These are all my opinions but it seems like we are closer to end-times than ever before (and yes I know each day is one day closer to end-times and yes I know no one knows the days but we do know the signs).

    Thoughts?


  2. By the way, for a sneak preview. About the "roman empire" theory.

    In the email I would send you, much of the information shows you proof about 1) U.S. being still a british colony
    2) US is a corporation not a land mass
    3)Their goal isnt merely for money, it's a "spiritual quest". I can explain in more detail.
    4)Britain owned by vatican
    5) The Pope claims to "own" the world.
    6)Since the Pope is basically the "Leader" of Catholicism and they are basically the "Holy Roman Empire"(what am I talking about you ask?) The roman empire IS the world dominator. Or you could say the United Nations is.
    But even if not, it's not the main point, there's a bigger picture. it's not simply corrupt people, and it isn't separate from the bible nor is it separate from fallen angels and satan. This is one and the same reality.
    You are on the right track. and I have more information that could help you understand and see the bigger picture, penetrate through the delusion.

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    I know some people look at the Roman government as a fulfillment of revelations but it simply falls short. The Roman government wasn't
    1) World wide
    2) Technologically capable of meeting the requirements of revelations.
    3) Lack of natural disasters.
    4) Lack of unified force from the east.
    5) Lack of centralized independent Israel
    6) Lack of worldwide knowledge of Christ.
    It was worldwide, you taking a bigger view of worldwide than they did back then. When looking at Scripture we have to keep in mind what and who the audience is. Back in them days the Roman Government was worldwide, there was no global outlook like now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    Thoughts?

    A few, but only because I've been told the exact same stuff since the 80's. Truthfully, I don't know one way or the other, but I feel its good to keep a skeptics point of view. By skeptic I mean "force the proposer to prove his case" and not "automatically disbelieve everything".

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    1) The other countries of the world, and even the US are unifying into regional unified governments.
    Not really. There are some trade agreements going on at a larger scale, but no "regional unified governments". Even the European Union isn't half as scary as people were making it out to be 5 years ago. Practically, its still a loosely allied group of entirely independent states. But even if that weren't the case, what does that have to do with the end times?

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    2) The state of the churches and their belief in the actual trueness of God's word is deteriorating especially among the larger denominations, even evangical churches.
    I actually don't see this. Thats pretty controversial to say, but there you have it. What I DO see is a lot of people who want to desparage the body of Christ, and make Christians believe that there are no more "real" Christians.

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    3) Natural disasters are increasing in frequency and in severity across the globe.
    In 20 years I haven't seen a shred of credible evidence for this.

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    4) The dollar which has up to recently been the standard of the global economy is on the verge of collapse and the formation of regional governments is leaning towards the establishment of a single currency.
    A single global currency? Not even close. Not even close to being not even close. As for the American currency tanking... that might be a possibility, but I don't see what that has to do with the end times.

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    5) The Islamic religion is coming to the point where it will exceed Christianity as the main religion of the world.
    Not even close. It might be the fastest growing, and that's scary. What source are you using to validate this?

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    6) Countries in the Middle east now are capable of eliminating Israel and the 1 country that would support Israel is deteriorating economically, is militarily preoccupied, and it's leaders are largely reducing support to Israel.
    This is no different than at any other time in the world. Look up the 1967 "6 day war". Again though... what would this have to do with the end times?

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    7). The one country (USA) that is one of the last bastions of non-government based control is gradually giving over power of all civil liberties to the government.
    I have no idea what "non-government based control" is. If you're stating its the last bastion of freedom, I strongly disagree. That tends to be an American bias though.

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    8) With the invention of the internet, the word of God can now be spread throughout the world reaching all people.
    All people with the infrastructure for the internet... which is pretty much people who have been capable of hearing the gospel for the last 100 years anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    9) Israel is now a nation and has identified areas and prepared to rebuild the temple.
    There's only one place to rebuild the temple.

    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    10) There is a growing case of anti-Semitism in World Wide.
    I don't think its any stronger now than it was over the course of the last 1000 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    A lot of things have been on my mind lately and the circumstances are beginning to become to obvious to ignore (even for me and I am very skeptical).

    1) The other countries of the world, and even the US are unifying into regional unified governments.
    2) The state of the churches and their belief in the actual trueness of God's word is deteriorating especially among the larger denominations, even evangical churches.
    3) Natural disasters are increasing in frequency and in severity across the globe.
    4) The dollar which has up to recently been the standard of the global economy is on the verge of collapse and the formation of regional governments is leaning towards the establishment of a single currency.
    5) The Islamic religion is coming to the point where it will exceed Christianity as the main religion of the world.
    6) Countries in the Middle east now are capable of eliminating Israel and the 1 country that would support Israel is deteriorating economically, is militarily preoccupied, and it's leaders are largely reducing support to Israel.
    7). The one country (USA) that is one of the last bastions of non-government based control is gradually giving over power of all civil liberties to the government.
    8) With the invention of the internet, the word of God can now be spread throughout the world reaching all people.
    9) Israel is now a nation and has identified areas and prepared to rebuild the temple.
    10) There is a growing case of anti-Semitism in World Wide.

    I know some people look at the Roman government as a fulfillment of revelations but it simply falls short. The Roman government wasn't
    1) World wide
    2) Technologically capable of meeting the requirements of revelations.
    3) Lack of natural disasters.
    4) Lack of unified force from the east.
    5) Lack of centralized independent Israel
    6) Lack of worldwide knowledge of Christ.

    These are all my opinions but it seems like we are closer to end-times than ever before (and yes I know each day is one day closer to end-times and yes I know no one knows the days but we do know the signs).

    Thoughts?
    No. You are NOT being paranoid.

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    No, you are not being paranoid, you are keeping watch as we are called to do.

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    2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
    2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

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    FWIW, HisLeast has succintly expressed my general opinion on the various points.
    It is only the cynic who claims “to speak the truth” at all times and in all places to all men in the same way, but who, in fact, displays nothing but a lifeless image of the truth… He dons the halo of the fanatical devotee of truth who can make no allowance for human weaknesses; but, in fact, he is destroying the living truth between men. He wounds shame, desecrates mystery, breaks confidence, betrays the community in which he lives, and laughs arrogantly at the devastation he has wrought and at the human weakness which “cannot bear the truth”. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, in Ethics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by teddyv View Post
    FWIW, HisLeast has succintly expressed my general opinion on the various points.
    me too.................

    check out this thread on if their is an increase in natural disasters or not: http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...65#post2226265
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post
    me too.................

    check out this thread on if their is an increase in natural disasters or not: http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...65#post2226265
    Yeah I saw that one over the last few days.

    I had a fairly involved thread about a year ago, in particular with respect to increased seismic activity (with data!). Here: http://bibleforums.org/showthread.php?t=139962
    It is only the cynic who claims “to speak the truth” at all times and in all places to all men in the same way, but who, in fact, displays nothing but a lifeless image of the truth… He dons the halo of the fanatical devotee of truth who can make no allowance for human weaknesses; but, in fact, he is destroying the living truth between men. He wounds shame, desecrates mystery, breaks confidence, betrays the community in which he lives, and laughs arrogantly at the devastation he has wrought and at the human weakness which “cannot bear the truth”. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, in Ethics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ph33r View Post
    A lot of things have been on my mind lately and the circumstances are beginning to become to obvious to ignore (even for me and I am very skeptical). These are all my opinions but it seems like we are closer to end-times than ever before (and yes I know each day is one day closer to end-times and yes I know no one knows the days but we do know the signs). Thoughts?
    Hi, Ph33r! I do not believe you are being paranoid. I believe that the things you've listed in your post are all indications that we are nearing the return of our Lord. It is incredible how events in the world, especially just within this current year, are building up together to set the scene predicted by the Bible. This year we're seeing an intense push for globalization, we're seeing rapidly building pressure on Israel to give up her land to her enemies, we're seeing Europe heading for world dominance, we're seeing earthquakes and typhoons and floods in mind-boggling numbers, we're seeing false teachings inundate our churches, and we're seeing immorality spread like a pandemic disease. It is so obvious to me that the world is nearing the time in which it will be facing the tribulation period, I pray every day for the Lord's return. I want to go home to be with Him more than I want anything else in this entire life here. I know there are many here who believe the world hasn't changed at all over previous decades and that there is little evidence that the Lord will be coming any time soon, but I have lived through enough decades to see the incredible evidence all around me. I've researched Bible prophecy for a very long time, and I've not seen anything so plainly evident of the nearness of the Lord's return as I've been seeing within the past 3 years, and particularly within this current year. I encourage you to keep watching what is happening in the world--and update us when you find interesting information. Don't let anyone discourage you!

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    Okay, seriously? You are being reeeeeally paranoid.
    Living in fear is paranoia.
    Treating every minor event as THE SIGN OF ARMAGEDDON is paranoia.

    I stopped "keeping watch" a looong time ago, because all it did was set me against my friends and fellow Christians, and tempt me to puff myself up as knowing what eschatological scriptures "really" mean, and generally interfere with my daily life.

    God finally had to get in my face, using a theology professor and pastor I greatly respect, and say "I WILL COME WHEN I WILL COME. IN THE MEANTIME, I HAVE WORK FOR YOU TO DO, SO KEEP YOUR FOCUS ON ME IN THE HERE AND NOW."
    He also reminded me that tomorrow will take care of itself, whether that means another billion sunrises just like the billions before, or the last of those billions of sunrises.
    Always give God credit first.

    "Dost thou think because thou art virtuous there shall be no more cakes and ale?"
    -Sir Toby, Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare

    James 1:19

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    You are not being paranoid. The end times are here! Some people see it as doom and gloom, but it really means Jesus is about to return! Everything that is happening is all part of God's plan. All we need to worry about is following His word and spreading the Gospel.
    And Israel will never be destroyed. Israel is here to stay, and God will see to it. For who so ever curses the Jew, or Israel, God shall also curse.

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    Re: Am I being Paranoid?

    There is nothing wrong with "paranoia". "Paranoia" is a derogatory word for SURVIVAL INSTINCT.

    The world is not Sesame Street or Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.

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    Re: Am I being Paranoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by gringo300 View Post
    There is nothing wrong with "paranoia". "Paranoia" is a derogatory word for SURVIVAL INSTINCT.

    The world is not Sesame Street or Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.
    Well as the old saying goes, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

    Interesting to look at the list of 10 items in the OP from the perspective that it was written almost 2 years ago.

    Not that much has changed. Couple I disagree with anyway, but the only one that I see as having changed much is #1. The world seems even less unified than before. The US is sharply divided politically, it has alienated many allies and seems to pander to some enemies, and the EU appears on the brink of collapse. Otherwise the world is in pretty much the same mess it was 2 years ago.
    In Christ,

    -- Rev

    “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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