Sanctification

***ZAB*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:04 PM

Greetings,

How much of a role do you believe the individual Christian plays in his or her sanctification?

Thanks,

Z.

***Beckrl*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:24 PM

If you are committed to the flesh, you have the old nature which leads to sin. If you are committed to the Holy Spirit, you have the new nature which leads to holiness. Sanctification is a crisis point in which you crucify, mortify, put to death, the old nature by once and for all consecrating your life to the leading of God’s Spirit

You may be called to holiness (separation and purity) but not be submitting to that. Either through ignorance of the requirement or ignorance of the ability to do so. Sanctification is then a gift of grace whereby one receives into their heart the ability to live holy and the recognition of such by faith. The ability to live a Holy life may be imparted at Salvation but it is not activated until faith grabs it and a person submits to the Holy Spirit who gives them that strength. Paul’s call to holiness and submission to be led by the Holy Spirit are calls to Sanctification.

Sanctification is the recognition of the call to purity, the accepting of the power to live pure by faith, and the consecration to the source of that purity – the Holy Spirit. Walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fulfill the lusts…” We want to tell people they can receive an experience where they are victorious over sin without explaining the need to consecrate themselves to the leading of the Holy Spirit and that is not true and it will not work!!!
Some people define Sanctification as one of the three but forget about the other two. They believe they are called to live pure but you can’t live pure without consecration. They believe God has called them to purity but they don’t believe God has given them the ability to live pure. They don’t believe God has called them to purity. They don’t believe they have to be consecrated to be saved (its just a matter of time). Sanctification is perpetual. It is a commitment which must be walked in.
It was designed to take place at Salvation but many times, through ignorance or deception, it is postponed until the knowledge (through the Word) comes. “Faith cometh by hearing…”

***The Mighty Sword*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by ZAB

Greetings,

How much of a role do you believe the individual Christian plays in his or her sanctification?

Thanks,

Z.

A Huge Role, without complete and total surrender and a commitment to servitude, I don't think we can be sanctified.

***Firefighter*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:28 PM

I don't think you can do a whole lot to be more sanctified. I DO believe that you can do a whole lot to keep from being sanctified.

***ZAB*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Beckrl

If you are committed to the flesh, you have the old nature which leads to sin. If you are committed to the Holy Spirit, you have the new nature which leads to holiness. Sanctification is a crisis point in which you crucify, mortify, put to death, the old nature by once and for all consecrating your life to the leading of God’s Spirit

You may be called to holiness (separation and purity) but not be submitting to that. Either through ignorance of the requirement or ignorance of the ability to do so. Sanctification is then a gift of grace whereby one receives into their heart the ability to live holy and the recognition of such by faith. The ability to live a Holy life may be imparted at Salvation but it is not activated until faith grabs it and a person submits to the Holy Spirit who gives them that strength. Paul’s call to holiness and submission to be led by the Holy Spirit are calls to Sanctification.

Sanctification is the recognition of the call to purity, the accepting of the power to live pure by faith, and the consecration to the source of that purity – the Holy Spirit. Walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fulfill the lusts…” We want to tell people they can receive an experience where they are victorious over sin without explaining the need to consecrate themselves to the leading of the Holy Spirit and that is not true and it will not work!!!
Some people define Sanctification as one of the three but forget about the other two. They believe they are called to live pure but you can’t live pure without consecration. They believe God has called them to purity but they don’t believe God has given them the ability to live pure. They don’t believe God has called them to purity. They don’t believe they have to be consecrated to be saved (its just a matter of time). Sanctification is perpetual. It is a commitment which must be walked in.
It was designed to take place at Salvation but many times, through ignorance or deception, it is postponed until the knowledge (through the Word) comes. “Faith cometh by hearing…”

Hi,

So you're saying that sanctification is designed to be a one time and immediate experience that occurs at salvation (justification)? But because if a lack of faith, it takes longer in most people? I'm not sure I follow you, sorry.

Z.

***ZAB*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Mighty Sword

A Huge Role, without complete and total surrender and a commitment to servitude, I don't think we can be sanctified.

So what happens if we aren't eventually sanctified? Hell?

Z.

***ZAB*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Urban Missionary

I don't think you can do a whole lot to be more sanctified. I DO believe that you can do a whole lot to keep from being sanctified.

So, it's an act of God (solely), and you can interfere, but not contribute?

Z.

***The Mighty Sword*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by ZAB

So what happens if we aren't eventually sanctified? Hell?

Z.

I think it goes way back to when GOD said "I knew you before the foundation of the world", knowing who will be sanctified and who won't ans we all have that option, although there will be those who get into heaven by the skin on their teeth.

***Beckrl*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by ZAB

Hi,

So you're saying that sanctification is designed to be a one time and immediate experience that occurs at salvation (justification)? But because if a lack of faith, it takes longer in most people? I'm not sure I follow you, sorry.

Z.

Sanctification is a crisis point in which you crucify, mortify, put to death, the old nature by once and for all consecrating your life to the leading of God’s Spirit
If you don't crucify, mortify , put to death the flesh then are you sanctified?

Cleaned yes, at salvation but as we walk do we defile the temple by our deeds?

Consecration and purity as one learns what is unclean within them they mortify those deeds. Walking in the Spirit.

**Desperaux** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:49 PM

If we do not yield to the Holy Spirit, then we will impede our sanctification.

2 Thessalonians 2:13b
...from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

***Beckrl*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Desperaux

If we do not yield to the Holy Spirit, then we will impede our sanctification.

Maybe that's what i should have said

**emperormar** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:54 PM

The term generally translated sanctified is "hagiazo" which means to be set apart and it generally refers to being set apart at salvation (it often appears in the past tense).
Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:11)

The term generally translated as santification is "hagiasmos" which refers to being purified or made holy.
For this is God’s will: that you become holy (1 Thessalonians 4:3)
For God did not call us to impurity but in holiness. (1 Thessalonians 4:7)

We must obey God out of love but ultimately God is the one responsible for all of the good that is in us and that comes out of us.

It is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. -Philippians 2:13

Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. -2 Corinthians 1:21

***The Mighty Sword*** · Oct 9th 2009, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Desperaux

If we do not yield to the Holy Spirit, then we will impede our sanctification.

Yay

, it's Des, you always explain things with ease, I can't stand that about you (jealous) in a loving way, you have that knack for simpicity and you're a true blessing.

Love,

The Mighty Sword.

***ZAB*** · Oct 9th 2009, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by The Mighty Sword

I think it goes way back to when GOD said "I knew you before the foundation of the world", knowing who will be sanctified and who won't ans we all have that option, although there will be those who get into heaven by the skin on their teeth.

So are you implying that one's sanctification determines heaven?

I'm not trying to be nit-picky, just trying to understand your point of view

Z.

***ZAB*** · Oct 9th 2009, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Beckrl

Sanctification is a crisis point in which you crucify, mortify, put to death, the old nature by once and for all consecrating your life to the leading of God’s Spirit
If you don't crucify, mortify , put to death the flesh then are you sanctified?

Cleaned yes, at salvation but as we walk do we defile the temple by our deeds?

Consecration and purity as one learns what is unclean within them they mortify those deeds. Walking in the Spirit.

So, if one is "sanctified" as you say, and then sins, does one need to be "re-sanctified"? If so, doesn't that show somewhat of a progressive sanctification, rather than a once-for-all sanctification, as you said?

Z.