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    Quote Originally Posted by HisLeast View Post
    I'm swiftly gaining sympathy for a position a Jewish friend of mine holds. The idea is that for man to have free will, creation must be such that someone could plausibly deny the existence of a creator.
    Blaise Pascal wrote quite a bit on it. The idea that there is enough proof of God's existence to know that He exists... But only if you look. That at that same time if you don't look, you could easily deny God's existence. I like your Jewish friends thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xel'Naga View Post
    Sure you can prove a negative, it's one of the foundational laws of formal logic. To relate this back to the OP; the second assertion is just as metaphysical as the first (philosophical) assertion; it's not a scientific argument. That said, if you can explain everything from beginning to end without any reference to God, then that is a proof against the existence of God.



    Not logically impossible, no. There doesn't seem to me to be much logical difficulty with an omnipotent God parting a sea.
    Prove green Jello will not help you in your walk with God...
    For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26

    If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Missionary View Post
    Prove green Jello will not help you in your walk with God...
    The absence of any proof that it does is proof that it doesn't. As far as I'm aware, no one has ever shown green Jello to improve personal devotions or prayer time. No one's ever shown green Jello to increase one's time spent in the Word. No one has ever shown green Jello to increase one's understanding of who Jesus is. To claim that green Jello improves one's walk with God but have nothing to speak to that... is proof against it.

    There's also the law of double-negation. If I prove that something is 'X', I have proven that it is not 'Y'.

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    It has mine. After I started eating green Jello, there was an immediate and drastic difference in my walk with God.
    For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26

    If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter

    Many say they are called... but I am pretty convinced that with many of them it was the wrong number. ~ Project Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xel'Naga View Post
    There's also the law of double-negation. If I prove that something is 'X', I have proven that it is not 'Y'.
    So if you prove that God is God the Father, you have successfully proven that God is not God the Son???

    Try that. Plug in these into you variable.

    Something = God
    X = God the Father
    Y = God the Son

    Let me know how that works for you...
    For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26

    If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter

    Many say they are called... but I am pretty convinced that with many of them it was the wrong number. ~ Project Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Missionary View Post
    It has mine. After I started eating green Jello, there was an immediate and drastic difference in my walk with God.
    Well, I'd have to ask how it's improved your walk with God. Short of a reasonable answer (i.e., you read Scripture as you ate Jello, which increased the time spent in your day reading Scripture), I'd walk away on who ever is presenting the argument because they are being silly. All it is is a 'gotcha' argument, one that doesn't prove that you can't prove a negative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Missionary View Post
    So if you prove that God is God the Father, you have successfully proven that God is not God the Son???

    Try that. Plug in these into you variable.

    Something = God
    X = God the Father
    Y = God the Son

    Let me know how that works for you...
    No, not at all. I wouldn't create any sort of 'What is God syllogism' and separate the persons of God, showing one of them to be God over the other.

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    Not really. I am using something as silly as green Jello to prove a point...

    Immediately, as soon as I ate it, it was like a veil was removed from my eyes and I gained an immediate understanding into my spiritual state and realized I needed a closer walk with God.
    For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26

    If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter

    Many say they are called... but I am pretty convinced that with many of them it was the wrong number. ~ Project Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Missionary View Post
    It has mine. After I started eating green Jello, there was an immediate and drastic difference in my walk with God.

    I thought that was green M&Ms, not green Jello

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xel'Naga View Post
    No, not at all. I wouldn't create any sort of 'What is God syllogism' and separate the persons of God, showing one of them to be God over the other.
    But if it is a law... it should true in every example right?

    1 + 1 = 2 every time you try it.

    Yet I just showed you where your own formula doesn't work out.
    For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26

    If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter

    Many say they are called... but I am pretty convinced that with many of them it was the wrong number. ~ Project Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mighty Sword View Post
    I thought that was green M&Ms, not green Jello
    It may very well be the color green. My exhaustive studies have not been concluded yet, but this would inject an interesting dynamic into the equation. Especially in light of the fact that I have seen no imperial evidence to the contrary.
    For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26

    If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter

    Many say they are called... but I am pretty convinced that with many of them it was the wrong number. ~ Project Peter

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    In light of this newly found eviidence I have come to the obvious conclusion that the color green corresponds with GOD, Thank you UM for that enlightening information, Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Missionary View Post
    Not really. I am using something as silly as green Jello to prove a point...

    Immediately, as soon as I ate it, it was like a veil was removed from my eyes and I gained an immediate understanding into my spiritual state and realized I needed a closer walk with God.
    It's like asking me to prove you don't have an invisible troll in your fridge that controls the temperature and turns the fridge light on and off whenever it wants. The proof of the negative (there is no such troll) is the absence of proof for such events.

    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Missionary View Post
    But if it is a law... it should true in every example right?

    1 + 1 = 2 every time you try it.

    Yet I just showed you where your own formula doesn't work out.
    The law of double negation states that if I prove P, then I prove not-not-P. So if I prove that God is the father, I prove that God is not not the Father. But I haven't proven that God is not the Son, nor the Holy Spirit.

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    After all GREEN signifies creation and the Bible says the "invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead". How could that NOT draw you closer to God?

    Cool, now I have found me one of them thar prooftexts.
    For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26

    If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter

    Many say they are called... but I am pretty convinced that with many of them it was the wrong number. ~ Project Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrckBrln View Post
    I'm thinking in hypotheticals here. If we could explain everything without God would that mean God doesn't exist? But let's specify this a bit. Let's say that evolution explains morality without God. Does that mean that God does not exist?
    Man has always tried(and always fails), then comes death, and later judgment.

    Yes, although I pray that wicked men repent, when they refuse to, I rejoice in the destruction of God's enemies. Revelation chapter 19 is my favorite chapter in the Bible. Christ as warrior king.

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    I was watching discovery channel this weekend and they profiled this certain dinosaur. This certian dinosaur, they supposed, had huge teeth and ate other certain dinosaurs because their teeth were found in the stomach of the 1st ecrtain dinosaur. They supposed and created this entire CG scenario that had the dinosaur running around stalking cretaures then not stalking until it happened upon this one dinosaur, who owned the tooth. Lo and behold it jumped took down the larger, dinosaur and ate it, thereby ending up with a tooth in it's stomach.
    I was thinking. What if another dinosaur, the owner of the tooth, wasn't watching what they were doing, ran smack dab into a tree and swallowed his tooth. What if said dinosaur got rid of said dinosaur tooth, at a later date and the first dinosaur likes to eat dinosaur droppings.
    Talk about leaps of faith.

    Science may offer an explanation for everything. Regarding the God question, it is easy to explain everything Earthly because Science is bound by earthly knowledge.
    How would science explain healing for example?

    I'll take God for 1000, Alex.

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