10 horns of the beast represent 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel

***ross3421*** · Oct 21st 2009, 03:46 AM

These 10 tribes give their power to the beast for a while however ultimately fulfill God's will and turn against the whore to destroy her. The other 2 horns are seen in the second beast, the lamb with two horns, which makes up the total of 12 horns ie the 144,000 12 tribes.

Most including myself for a time thought that it was 10 countries but this is not supported be any scripture rather conjecture. There is a connection with the number 12 in the scriptures and this is with Israel.

Mark

**th1bill** · Oct 21st 2009, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by ross3421

These 10 tribes give their power to the beast for a while however ultimately fulfill God's will and turn against the whore to destroy her. The other 2 horns are seen in the second beast, the lamb with two horns, which makes up the total of 12 horns ie the 144,000 12 tribes.

Most including myself for a time thought that it was 10 countries but this is not supported be any scripture rather conjecture. There is a connection with the number 12 is the scriptures and this is with Israel.

Mark

I'm sorry but you support this idea how?

**Amos_with_goats** · Oct 21st 2009, 04:33 AM

?.... !

(THis post is at least three times five letters long)....

***ross3421*** · Oct 21st 2009, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by th1bill

I'm sorry but you support this idea how?

How do you support it otherwise?i

**Amos_with_goats** · Oct 21st 2009, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by ross3421

How do you support it otherwise?i

Ok, that post is even stranger....

ross3421,

What scripture (or logic) would lead you to the conclusion you state in your post?

***ross3421*** · Oct 21st 2009, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Amos_with_goats

Ok, that post is even stranger....

ross3421,

What scripture (or logic) would lead you to the conclusion you state in your post?

Support another view with scripture, you can't. At least I can parrallel the 12 tribes with the 12 horns. In addition, we see the proper division of 10/2 which are the houses of Israel and the counterfeit lamb correctly with 2 horns representing the origin of Judah claiming to be the most high.

The beast will have control of Israel (12 horns) and the (false) church represented by the 7 heads.

12 horns - 12 tribes
7 angels 7 churches - 7 heads 7 churches

**nzyr** · Oct 21st 2009, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by ross3421

Support another view with scripture, you can't. At least I can parrallel the 12 tribes with the 12 horns. In addition, we see the proper division of 10/2 which are the houses of Israel and the counterfeit lamb correctly with 2 horns representing the origin of Judah claiming to be the most high.

The beast will have control of Israel (12 horns) and the (false) church represented by the 7 heads.

12 horns - 12 tribes
7 angels 7 churches - 7 heads 7 churches

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**Amos_with_goats** · Oct 21st 2009, 06:55 AM

So.

The reason that the 10 horns MUST be 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel, is that those 10 tribes, plus the other 2 tribes which you see as the two horns of the counterfeit lamb....

And that no other possible explanation offered can possibly fit...

based on the fact that 10 + 2 = 12.

Am I understanding this correctly>?

***ross3421*** · Oct 21st 2009, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Amos_with_goats

So.

The reason that the 10 horns MUST be 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel, is that those 10 tribes, plus the other 2 tribes which you see as the two horns of the counterfeit lamb....

And that no other possible explanation offered can possibly fit...

based on the fact that 10 + 2 = 12.

Am I understanding this correctly>?

Well there is not multiple answers. So this would more logical and scriptural than picking 10 nations out from the current world and making them the 10 horns would it not?.

***John146*** · Oct 21st 2009, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by ross3421

Support another view with scripture, you can't. At least I can parrallel the 12 tribes with the 12 horns. In addition, we see the proper division of 10/2 which are the houses of Israel and the counterfeit lamb correctly with 2 horns representing the origin of Judah claiming to be the most high.

The beast will have control of Israel (12 horns) and the (false) church represented by the 7 heads.

12 horns - 12 tribes
7 angels 7 churches - 7 heads 7 churches

How can the false church (whatever that is) be represented by the 7 heads when there are 7 kings associated with the 7 heads, five of which had already fallen by the time John wrote Revelation?

Rev 17
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

***The Mighty Sword*** · Oct 21st 2009, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by ross3421

These 10 tribes give their power to the beast for a while however ultimately fulfill God's will and turn against the whore to destroy her. The other 2 horns are seen in the second beast, the lamb with two horns, which makes up the total of 12 horns ie the 144,000 12 tribes.

Most including myself for a time thought that it was 10 countries but this is not supported be any scripture rather conjecture. There is a connection with the number 12 in the scriptures and this is with Israel.

Mark

Worthy of a study.

***ross3421*** · Oct 22nd 2009, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by jaareshiah

What is the "wild beast" and its "ten horns" ? The book of Daniel provides the answer, for at Daniel 7, four human governmental empires are seen, starting with ancient Babylon as the first "beast" that was like a "lion" and with the "fourth beast" as being "fearsome and terrible and unusually strong" that was the Roman Empire.(Dan 7:7)

Where does Daniel say it is the Roman Empire? He mentions other countries in his letter but never Rome. Why does he mentions the others by name but not the fourth beast?

The "ten horns" at Revelation 13 represents all composite human governments on the earth existing during the "Lord's day"(Rev 1:10), the time period that began with Christ Jesus enthronement as king in 1914.(Rev 6:2)

What the the bolded mean?

Anyway the fourth kingdom is not named unlike the others because for the simple fact it has no name. It is a demonic kingdom the kingdom of Satan which is described by animals much like the kingdom of God as both are seen with four beasts.

Mark

***John146*** · Oct 22nd 2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by jaareshiah

At Revelation 13:1, it says that the "dragon", Satan the Devil (Rev 12:9), "stood still upon the sand of the sea", and there arose "a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, but upon its heads blasphemous names." Thus, the "wild beast" with its "ten horns" is a creation of the "dragon", Satan, who gives "to the beast its power and its throne and great authority."(Rev 13:2)

The number ten in the Bible pictures completeness, such as the "Ten Commandments" ("Ten Words", Ex 34:28), the "ten plagues" upon Egypt (Ex 7-11), the "tenth generation".(Deut 23:2) Jesus used the number ten in several of his illustrations to denote entirety or the full number of something.(Matt 25:1; Luke 15:8; 19:13, 16, 17)

One of the beasts of Daniel’s vision had ten horns. These evidently represented all the powers, or “kings,” of earth making up the beastly arrangement. (Dan 7:7, 20, 24) The number ten is also the fullness of the test or period of test that God determines for his servants or allows them to undergo is expressed at Revelation 2:10: “Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison that you may be fully put to the test, and that you may have tribulation ten days.”

What is the "wild beast" and its "ten horns" ? The book of Daniel provides the answer, for at Daniel 7, four human governmental empires are seen, starting with ancient Babylon as the first "beast" that was like a "lion" and with the "fourth beast" as being "fearsome and terrible and unusually strong" that was the Roman Empire.(Dan 7:7)

Hence, the "wild beast" at Revelation 13 pictures wicked human governmental rule over the earth, controlled by Satan, the "dragon". The apostle John wrote that "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one", Satan the Devil.(1 John 5:19) The "ten horns" at Revelation 13 represents all composite human governments on the earth existing during the "Lord's day"(Rev 1:10), the time period that began with Christ Jesus enthronement as king in 1914.(Rev 6:2)

Whoa. I agreed with much of this until your last statement. What are you talking about when you mention Christ's "enthronement as king in 1914"? Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

***ross3421*** · Oct 22nd 2009, 07:17 PM

[QUOTE=jaareshiah;2246729
Thus, the "fourth beast" was the Roman Empire of Daniel 7 and of which continued, despite the last emperor's removal, Romulus Augustulus, by the Germanic king, Odoacer in 476 C.E., for only the western part ended. It still continued in the form of the "holy Roman Empire", with "ten horns" ascending from the Roman Empire.(Dan 7:7) As Rome became more affluent and increasingly decadent because of the licentious living of its ruling class, it diminished as a military power. In time, the decline of Rome’s military strength became clearly evident. The mighty empire eventually broke up into many kingdoms. Since the Bible often uses the number ten to denote completeness, the "ten horns" represent all the kingdoms that resulted from Rome's dissolution.[/QUOTE]

Who in your opinon are the ten countries and kings by name.? Thanks.

**stupes** · Oct 23rd 2009, 04:53 AM

It says 10 kings:
"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

10 kings that receive power as kings with the beast. Kings are always nations, kingdoms, what have you - throughout the prophets. Can you tell me where the tribes are called kings? Ever?