The Divinity of Jesus

[Buck the Apostle]

At what point in His life did Jesus realize that He was fully God?

[decrumpit]

At what point in His life did Jesus realize that He was fully God?

Good question!

More than a few scholars say that each Gospel writer had his own say about this, with Mark saying his Baptism "Behold, this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased", Matthew and Luke saying his birth (these are the only two that mention a virgin birth story) and John saying from all time, because he is the Word incarnate.

I am led to wonder about why he was agonizing in the garden, if he knew that he would be crucified in accordance with prophecy.

I am interested to hear what you all have to say.

[Nobunaga]

Good question!

I am led to wonder about why he was agonizing in the garden, if he knew that he would be crucified in accordance with prophecy.

I am interested to hear what you all have to say.

The cup of wrath

The Father was always well pleased with His Son, Now He was about to be forsaken by His Father and the wrath that was destined for me and you..... Our Lord Drunk the cup of wrath for us so we could go free........

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21

If there is a more heartbreaking/sad/joyous/glorious verse in the Bible i would like to hear it. This brings it home how much it cost to reconcile sinners to a Holy God and how so very much He loves us !

It was not the cross that He was troubled about, He was about to become sin for us and the experience the wrath of God, so we could go free. Thank you Lord Jesus Glory to God !

[BroRog]

At what point in His life did Jesus realize that He was fully God?

What do you mean "fully" God?

[Buck the Apostle]

I am wondering at what age did Jesus realize that He was FULLY God. Or did He know that from His birth - that He was fully God. I find that hard to believe given the nature and maturity of new born babies.

I understand that He was the Word made flesh, as stated in John, but did He "loose" that information when the incarnation happened?

[Buck the Apostle]

Ill clarify even further. Philippians 2, a passage we are all familiar with, says that Jesus "emptied" Himself. To what extent did Jesus empty Himself? Did He empty Himself of all the "knowledge" that He had since He was is fully God?

Was there a time when Jesus was reading the Torah as a young child where he read the story of creation and suddenly He begins to remember that He is way more familiar with the story then the words that were written.

I hope I am making sense.

[-SEEKING-]

Ill clarify even further. Philippians 2, a passage we are all familiar with, says that Jesus "emptied" Himself. To what extent did Jesus empty Himself? Did He empty Himself of all the "knowledge" that He had since He was is fully God?

"5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men." - ESV

If you read the whole paragraph it gives the sense of a release of power or authority, more than a removal of divinity. Does that make sense to you?

[decrumpit]

The cup of wrath

The Father was always well pleased with His Son, Now He was about to be forsaken by His Father and the wrath that was destined for me and you..... Our Lord Drunk the cup of wrath for us so we could go free........

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2 Corinthians 5:21

If there is a more heartbreaking/sad/joyous/glorious verse in the Bible i would like to hear it. This brings it home how much it cost to reconcile sinners to a Holy God and how so very much He loves us !

It was not the cross that He was troubled about, He was about to become sin for us and the experience the wrath of God, so we could go free. Thank you Lord Jesus Glory to God !

Well, I guess my question would be if he knew that he was receiving the cup of wrath, why it troubled Him.

[blessedmommyuv3]

Well, I guess my question would be if he knew that he was receiving the cup of wrath, why it troubled Him.

Separation from the Father would be devastating. And taking on the vilest of sins when He had never knew any sin at all, heart wrenching.
Think of all the depravity that has existed in the past, and that of today, and the future, and think of how you would feel to have that thrust upon you if you were completely pure and innocent and holy; now compound that by the fact that the Father, with whom you have shared communion always, would turn His back on you in that moment in which you bore that sin, and your connection with Him would be severed.
That is what Christ did for you and I.


In Christ,
Jen

[notuptome]

Well, I guess my question would be if he knew that he was receiving the cup of wrath, why it troubled Him.

I'm certain the Lord will give a much better explaination when we get to heaven but I will make an attempt to articulate my observations.

The Lord was enquired of by the sons of Zebedee desiring a special place in the kingdom of God. The Lord told them they could drink of My cup. Mat 20:20-28 We have the Lords cup in the communion Mat 26:26-29 Again the Lord speaks of the cup He must receive in vs 39 and 42. The Lord expressed for our benefit not for His the magnitude of the sacrifice He was going to make. He knew the depth of the agony He would experience when He made His soul an offering for sin. Isa 53:10 When you partake of the Lords cup in the communion think on these things.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Buck the Apostle]

If you read the whole paragraph it gives the sense of a release of power or authority, more than a removal of divinity. Does that make sense to you?

What you got wrong is that I do not think He had His divinity removed. All Im asking is at what point did He realize He was divine.

[BroRog]

What you got wrong is that I do not think He had His divinity removed. All Im asking is at what point did He realize He was divine.

What do you mean by "divine"?

[Buck the Apostle]

"5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men." - ESV

If you read the whole paragraph it gives the sense of a release of power or authority, more than a removal of divinity. Does that make sense to you?

I meant divinity. The moment He realized He was God.

[notuptome]

I meant divinity. The moment He realized He was God.

From before eternity began.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[theBelovedDisciple]

It was His Testimony that He was the Son of God, the Son of Man..

which was and Is True......

that was Blasphemey in the eyes of the Sanhedrin...


how could a meek lowly carpenter claim to be God's Son and Eternal... this poor man who had no beauty that anyone would desire Him, this man who was accused by many of the religious leaders to be 'born out of fornication'... but He was Born thru the Work of the Holy Ghost.. this man who ate and drank with harlots, tax collectors, publicans, the unrighteous...how could this man be the Messiah? this man never even kept the Sabbath correctly...

how could this be the Son of God...???

this was blasphemey in their eyes.. and this is what Put Christ on the Cross...


there was a time in His Minsitry when the Pharisees confronted Him.. about Abraham.. and they said your not even 50 years old.. and you know and have seen our Father Abraham....

Jesus said.. Father Abraham rejoiced to see my day and saw it...

and then He told them

Verily, Verily, I tell thee... Before Abraham was... I am.....


When Jesus made this statement.. He 'knew' that He was God.. and that He was Eternal.....

whether He 'knew' that as a very young child, or a baby.. not sure...

the Word(Jesus) has always been.. He has always been God...

when He came to this earth.. He didn't 'leave' His Divinity or become undivine because He stepped out of Heaven... and He didn't leave His Power and Authority there either.. if that was the case. .then those devils that 'recognized' him as the Holy One of Isreal... these recognized him before any of the religous elite... and Jesus's Power and authority over them.. by the Finger of God... these devils would of never hearkened and obeyed Him... when He spoke to them....

but they didn't.. they Obeyed.. and even the people wondered...

"even the unclean spirits and devils obey Him at His Word"


'who is this Man'??

He had it when He was here.. never left it..


never lost it at all..

even when He hung on the Bloody tRee...

He has always been God and Always will be...

Forever...

He is the Alpha and the Omega...

He is the One Who Created time and space.... and thru Him and the Power of His Word.. everything exists.. and He upholds everything with the Word of His Power... this is because He is Eternal and everlasting...



Before Abraham was I am..... A powerful Witness to the Reality to Who He really Was...

and He 'knew' It....