No one "loses" their salvation -- they give it up.
I think what we have to take into account is that Paul (the master builder) was laying the foundation of church life. Like many of the epistles, they were written to new believers, that had not as yet been grounded and rooted (let alone bare fruit)
Rom 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
They will still at the stage of 'profession' of faith, but had (in many cases) not yet grown and bare fruit.
As from the parable of the seed, those that received the word and understood it, are they that keep it, and bare fruit. Jesus also said, "you will know them by their fruit"
So, until we see fruit, we cannot know if they have understood. If you see someone who has fruit, then you know that they are saved and will keep the word they heard with understanding. When you see fruit (though they still grow) you know that they are grounded and rooted (or established)
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
For me, it is akin to 'not loving your brother'
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Ananias and Sapphira committed an act of hypocrisy. They pretended they were something they were not.
This was the beginning of the Church, and what Ananias and Sapphira did was an act of hypocrisy. God had to show the young foundational Church, that He will not tolerate hypocrisy.
John said,tt1106---The choice to be saved doesn't rest with us, because we are incapable of making the right choice.
John 1:6-9 ( KJV )
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
If nothing is up to us then all men would be saved because Christ lights (gives understanding) to all men that through Him (Christ) all men might believe.
And The point about the sheep is this, Christ goes after the sheep, but those who reject Him are no longer sheep.
Yes, I understand that much--lol
I just don't follow the metaphor to the end he is using it to make his point.
With all due respect. Paul does not say any of that - he does not say that the Romans are half grafted in or are not quite there yet because they haven't born fruit. He says nothing of the sort. You are adding words that he does not say at all.
He says this in a clear and thorough teaching about God's Kingdom: You are unnatural branches that have been grafted in and are currently partaking of the life. The natural branches were cut off because of unbelief. You too - will be cut off if you fall into unbelief.
There is no wavering or qualifications in this teaching by Paul. They were in Christ, "saved", when he is talking to them. They are a branch grafted into the tree of life.
To avoid this or sidestep this teaching is again - beyond me.
Not only that a Christian is a new creation. Is it so hard to believe that the new man will never walk away?
People can believe what they want to, but I choose to believe that Christ can save to the UTMOST and that He means it when He says He will complete it.
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