1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
If Satan is the one that tempts us, and (my understanding of what your saying) his power is bound by the great chain. There is no temptation, if there is no temptation (according to James) there is no lust. No lust to bring forth sin and no sin to brings forth death. No death.
The bottomless pit is a spiritural relm, because Satan is the spirit of evil.
I see these vs. as Christ's death and resurrection also.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
So whether it is from the pit or the sea, unless there are more than one beast that are the same, then the description of how the beast comes should not get in the way.
God bless you!
I agree that the bottomless pit is in the spiritual realm but what do you mean by saying that Satan is the spirit of evil? He certainly is an evil spirit being and is the leader of the fallen angels, but I don't know what you mean by saying that he "is the spirit of evil".The bottomless pit is a spiritural relm, because Satan is the spirit of evil.
What was Christ cast out of?I see those as Christ's death and resurrection. "Prince of this world" at the time this was said was Christ (IMO).
Yes, I'm saying it already happened. But the fact that Rev. 12 is in the middle of the book doesn't mean anything. Revelation is not just a long, chronological book. Revelation 12:5 mentions the birth of Christ. Does that happen after the seventh trumpet (Rev 11:15-18)? Obviously not. Revelation is not a book that only speaks of the future, as we can see here:Rev. 12:7-12 clearly says he is kicked out of heaven. All of Rev. is future events in my opinion. Are you saying this event has already happened, in the middle of Rev.?
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
The beast gets it power from Satan. I believe Abaddon/Apollyon is a name for Satan. I see the beast as referrring to Satan's kingdom. So, when the pit is opened, it looses Satan and his beast kingdom.Where do you see the first beast coming out of ch 9?
Yes, but what do those passages say about the affect that Christ's death and resurrection had on Satan?I see these vs. as Christ's death and resurrection also.
I think you meant Rev 12:9? And what do you mean about him being trapped in the bottomless pit?So if Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven in Rev. 9:9. Then his angels go into the pit with him. The bottomless pit is where he is trapped.
All I can say is that I see Satan's binding as him being restrained from keeping the world in spiritual darkness the way he was able to do before Christ came and before the gospel went out into the world through the power of the Holy Spirit. If you see his binding differently then we're just not going to agree on this.To me a bottomless pit has only one opening, and that opening has a lock which Jesus has the key for. Why would it be locked if it has a "back door"?
The Greek name used by the apostle John to translate the Hebrew “Abaddon” at Revelation 9:11.
Apollyon means “Destroyer,” and is given as the name of “the angel of the abyss.”
Though most reference works apply this name to some evil personage or force, the whole setting of the apocalyptic vision is to the contrary, as it consistently portrays angels being used by God to bring woes upon His enemies.
Last post, 2009. Let's let this one be done. Start a new thread if you'd like on this topic.
Twelve is the number of government. Thus, it is quite apropos that I am on my way towards wielding the power of twelve bars - each bar like, say, a tribe.....or a star.....or, maybe an apostle. A blue apostle. Like apostle smurfs. Does anyone remember smurfs? And all the controversy about them being from the devil? It's probably bad that I juxtaposed "apostle" and "smurf" in the same sentence. But then, I probably lost you at "blue apostle". Yes, my friends, this is what "rare jewel of a person" is actually implying. "Rare Jewel of a Person" really means, "Potentially Insane".
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