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    "Salt is good,"

    Jesus said that.

    Someone said that Salt is a preservative...and of course it is. Salt Pork is one of my favorites. Proccuttio is great around melon. I also love a five star country ham too. (Boiled and baked for Christmas...ssslllluuurrrp)

    OK...but I don't think that Jesus was talking about those things. Pork wasn't exactly on his diet plan.


    So...Can anyone discuss the Covenant of Salt?

    What is Salt a type of?
    What happens to rain when mixed with salt?
    And that is known as What?...which is a symbol of what?

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    Hi.

    Yes the subject of salt and the "covenant of salt" are interesting topics to discuss. However, tonight I'll just mention it regarding it in the diet and as time permits reply to the others.

    Because of the passage

    And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

    And the priests in turn ate of those offerings, I always quipped that God would not allow his priests to run around with high blood pressure. Besides the spiritual meaning behind salt, it purity, permanence, etc, and just look at the consumption pragmatically, we see that the mineral is Kosher, and as such is allowed. God never allowed His priests to eat unclean foods.

    I think that salt has been demonized in this secular society and declared "unclean" by the medical world who now wants to remove the label from salt that it is "generally recognized as safe".

    But you and I know that all we have to do is look into the bible to see whether or not something as truth to it or not. Hopefully what the world thinks of salt is just one of many fads that came and went, but you never know for sure.

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    You do not only salt pork..... we salt beef to preserve it, I think you call it jerky, we call it Biltong

    Salt is a disinfectant, good for oral hygiene... for healing of wounds

    Salt gives flavour ...... when you are to be the salt, you gives flavour to the lives/world of those around you.... by what you say, Col. 4:6 (Let your speech [be] alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. ) or Matt. 5:13 (Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. )

    Here is a thread about being salted with Fire

    Salt at some stage was used as a method of remuneration

    In war times, the land was salted to destroy cities, so that nothing would grow there.



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    Here are some scriptures to assist.


    Mt 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
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    Mk 9:50 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other."
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    Lk 14:34 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?
    Lk 14:35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
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    Col 4:6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone


    So...what has ben stated is true. Priests did use to salt any offerings. (no one likes bland food including God.)

    But be careful in what you think these scriptures mean...it is easy to miss what Jesus and Paul are both saying in them and how a Covenant of Salt is related to these mentions in these scriptures.

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    So...what has ben stated is true. Priests did use to salt any offerings. (no one likes bland food including God.)

    But be careful in what you think these scriptures mean...it is easy to miss what Jesus and Paul are both saying in them and how a Covenant of Salt is related to these mentions in these scriptures.
    I guess what you mean is that the nature of salt indicates something regarding a covenant or spiritual law. For example, because of the preservation characterisitics of salt, the "covenant of salt" means one that is an inviolable covenant--- it lasts forever which is from the time that the covenant was made, today and forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDB View Post
    Here are some scriptures to assist.


    Mt 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
    __________________________________________________ _______
    Mk 9:50 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with each other."
    __________________________________________________ ______________
    Lk 14:34 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?
    Lk 14:35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
    __________________________________________________ _________________________________
    Col 4:6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone


    So...what has ben stated is true. Priests did use to salt any offerings. (no one likes bland food including God.)

    But be careful in what you think these scriptures mean...it is easy to miss what Jesus and Paul are both saying in them and how a Covenant of Salt is related to these mentions in these scriptures.
    I don't think Jesus and Paul are making the same point.

    Jesus is talking about being distinctive by contrast to the rest of the world. His analogy with salt comes in the midst of two other analogies that bring his point into sharp focus as we consider what the saltiness of food has to do with a city set on a hill or a light put under a basket.

    You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men. You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
    Matthew 5:13-16


    The thing about salty food is the fact that you can't miss it. If the food has salt in it, we taste the salt. And salty food has a distinct flavor that is hard to miss.

    How does salt become tasteless? In NT times, the salt wasn't pure salt like we have today; It was a mixture of salt and other minerals. And when the salt mixture got wet, the salt leached out leaving only the impurities behind. If this happened to the salt, the salt would lose it's taste and wouldn't be good for anything else and so it was thrown out on the ground.

    Jesus is saying, you might be like the salt mixture that still has salt in it; or you might be like the salt mixture that has no actual salt in it. Just as the salt mixture containing salt is distinctive from the mixture without any salt, you are to be distinctive in some way.

    The next analogy Jesus gives involves a city set on a hill. In this analogy, the city set on a hill can not be missed. It can be seen from miles away, even from far off in the distance. And if we light up the city, especially at night, the city on the hill can be seen at night in the dark.

    The final analogy incorporates the lamp set in a candlestick, which is a light placed in an elevated position out in the open. Just as a city set on a hill is elevated, exposed and easy to find, a lamp set in a candlestick is elevated, out in the open, and shines light on all its surroundings. We don't put lamps under a bushel because this would defeat the purpose of the lamp. We want the lamp to be up high and out in the open so that it will shine its light on everything in the entire room.

    And so Jesus invites us to ask, what does a salty salt mixture have in common with a city set on a hill, and a lamp set in a candlestick? The common theme that ties them all together is the difference between what is concealed and what is revealed. Each of these items is conspicuous in some way. Salty salt is easily tasted; a city set on a hill is easily noticed; and a lamp set in a candlestick makes everything else observable.

    By analogy then, Jesus challenges us to be beneficial through our willingness to be both vulnerable and uncommon. Just as salt is good when it continues to produce an unmistakable taste, we are to be good in some way analogous to that. Just as a city set on a hill can't be hidden, we ought to be those whom others recognize by taking the higher ground; and just as a lamp set in a candlestick, we are to enlighten those around us so as to be clear, understandable, factual, and true, standing in contrast to our culture while we critique it.

    The Lord is our prime example, who both made himself vulnerable, and remained uncommon as he spoke to his people and taught them another, higher way. He didn't put his light under a bushel, he stood in contrast to his culture and made his ideas known. He set himself as a city on a hill, which was as overt and obvious as possible. And he remained as distinctive and useful as salty salt, which never lost it's taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroRog View Post
    I don't think Jesus and Paul are making the same point.

    Jesus is talking about being distinctive by contrast to the rest of the world. His analogy with salt comes in the midst of two other analogies that bring his point into sharp focus as we consider what the saltiness of food has to do with a city set on a hill or a light put under a basket.


    You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men. You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

    Matthew 5:13-16
    The thing about salty food is the fact that you can't miss it. If the food has salt in it, we taste the salt. And salty food has a distinct flavor that is hard to miss.

    How does salt become tasteless? In NT times, the salt wasn't pure salt like we have today; It was a mixture of salt and other minerals. And when the salt mixture got wet, the salt leached out leaving only the impurities behind. If this happened to the salt, the salt would lose it's taste and wouldn't be good for anything else and so it was thrown out on the ground.

    Jesus is saying, you might be like the salt mixture that still has salt in it; or you might be like the salt mixture that has no actual salt in it. Just as the salt mixture containing salt is distinctive from the mixture without any salt, you are to be distinctive in some way.

    The next analogy Jesus gives involves a city set on a hill. In this analogy, the city set on a hill can not be missed. It can be seen from miles away, even from far off in the distance. And if we light up the city, especially at night, the city on the hill can be seen at night in the dark.

    The final analogy incorporates the lamp set in a candlestick, which is a light placed in an elevated position out in the open. Just as a city set on a hill is elevated, exposed and easy to find, a lamp set in a candlestick is elevated, out in the open, and shines light on all its surroundings. We don't put lamps under a bushel because this would defeat the purpose of the lamp. We want the lamp to be up high and out in the open so that it will shine its light on everything in the entire room.

    And so Jesus invites us to ask, what does a salty salt mixture have in common with a city set on a hill, and a lamp set in a candlestick? The common theme that ties them all together is the difference between what is concealed and what is revealed. Each of these items is conspicuous in some way. Salty salt is easily tasted; a city set on a hill is easily noticed; and a lamp set in a candlestick makes everything else observable.

    By analogy then, Jesus challenges us to be beneficial through our willingness to be both vulnerable and uncommon. Just as salt is good when it continues to produce an unmistakable taste, we are to be good in some way analogous to that. Just as a city set on a hill can't be hidden, we ought to be those whom others recognize by taking the higher ground; and just as a lamp set in a candlestick, we are to enlighten those around us so as to be clear, understandable, factual, and true, standing in contrast to our culture while we critique it.

    The Lord is our prime example, who both made himself vulnerable, and remained uncommon as he spoke to his people and taught them another, higher way. He didn't put his light under a bushel, he stood in contrast to his culture and made his ideas known. He set himself as a city on a hill, which was as overt and obvious as possible. And he remained as distinctive and useful as salty salt, which never lost it's taste.

    What if Jesus and Paul both are talking about the same thing...

    As in Zeal for Jesus and things of God?

    That certainly would make sense. To me at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDB View Post
    What if Jesus and Paul both are talking about the same thing...

    As in Zeal for Jesus and things of God?

    That certainly would make sense. To me at least.
    So Paul is saying let your conversation be filled with zeal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroRog View Post
    So Paul is saying let your conversation be filled with zeal?
    for Christ...

    YES

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    We (Christians) are the salt of the earth. Our presence in the world has a purifying effect to some degree. (At least we hold back the 4 winds of anarchy)

    We talk about salt being a preservative (Fish is still commonly preserved in salt), but I think more than that, salt is an enhancer.

    I don't like salty foods, but I don't like foods not cooked with salt either. Salt done correctly brings out the natural flavors and you don't taste the salt, but when its not there you certainly will miss it.

    When the salt (Christian) has lost is savor (counted the blood of Jesus to be a common thing), it becomes worthless except to throw on the ground and either clean up spills or give traction in ice. Its use as a preservative effect or enhancer is gone and that is the most important use for salt. (which why in some places it was used as money)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDB View Post
    for Christ...

    YES
    Did you get this idea from Colossians? I can see how someone might understand Paul to be talking about "zeal" in the Colossians passage if by "zeal" we mean "readiness" and "eagerness." As we can see from the context, Paul wants his readers to pray that God would open a door for the word. And so I agree with you to a point.

    Devote yourselves to prayer, keeping alert in it with an attitude of thanksgiving; praying at the same time for us as well, that God will open up to us a door for the word, so that we may speak forth the mystery of Christ, for which I have also been imprisoned; that I may make it clear in the way I ought to speak. Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person. Colossians 4:2-6
    Notice, however, Paul prays for two things: 1) that God will open a door to the gospel, and 2) that Paul might be clear in his teaching. So, now that I look at this more carefully, it would appear that Jesus and Paul are, indeed, using the metaphor of salt in a similar way.

    I always thought that the phrase "seasoned with salt" was synonymous with "grace" in the sense that just as salt makes food more palatable, consideration for others will make the truth easier for others to hear.

    It's also possible, that the phrase "seasoned with salt" is a metaphor for "distinctiveness", of which "clarity" is also a related idea. So, it's possible that Paul is saying two things: 1) speak to others with a disposition to kindness and compassion, while at the same time 2) seek to be clear and straightforward with the Gospel.

    If I am right about this, then Jesus and Paul are using "salt" as a metaphor for clarity and a lack of compromise and evasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDB View Post
    "Salt is good,"

    Jesus said that.

    Someone said that Salt is a preservative...and of course it is. Salt Pork is one of my favorites. Proccuttio is great around melon. I also love a five star country ham too. (Boiled and baked for Christmas...ssslllluuurrrp)

    OK...but I don't think that Jesus was talking about those things. Pork wasn't exactly on his diet plan.


    So...Can anyone discuss the Covenant of Salt?

    What is Salt a type of?
    What happens to rain when mixed with salt?
    And that is known as What?...which is a symbol of what?

    OK

    1.....2......3......GO
    Salt refers specifically to believers who are willing to endure persecution for the sake of Christ, and suffer in this life for Christ. Jesus gives the context of what salt means.

    Mat 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    Mat 5:11 "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
    Mat 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
    Mat 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.

    Luk 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
    Luk 14:27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.
    Luk 14:28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
    Luk 14:29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,
    Luk 14:30 saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.'
    Luk 14:31 Or what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?
    Luk 14:32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace.
    Luk 14:33 So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
    Luk 14:34 "Salt is good, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored?
    Luk 14:35 It is of no use either for the soil or for the manure pile. It is thrown away. He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
    Tit 3:2 to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

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    Salt preserves taste (or gives flavor)
    Salt heals wounds
    Salt melts coldness
    And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
    Acts 28:24

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