Many Shall Be Deceived!!!!!!!

[Beckrl]

Perhaps it could mean a physical temple, such as the one that was destroyed in 70 AD. What would be ironic about it, if another temple gets built, or if one already present is used, and someone claims to be Christ from there. Why would it be called a secret chamber, and not just a chamber tho?

Jesus, I believe is given a warning to those that would deceive but more to do harm too.
In the chaotic events surrounding Jerusalem's fall. Such troublesome times would prove to be a golden opportunity for false prophets to lead people astray with false expectations of Christ's appearance. But Jesus says, "Don't be swayed by their miracles or their message"

They must be careful "not to entertain the rumors that the Jewish Messiah had returned and was waiting in some secluded desert location for them, or in some inner chamber in the besieged city"

Two chambers in the Temple are named in the Mishnah. One, the Chamber of Secrets, was where the devout placed their gifts in secret. The poor received support from these gifts also in secret. The Chamber of Utensils was also a room for storing gifts from which distribution was made every 30 days.

The vaulted Chamber of the Hearth (also mentioned in the Mishnah) was the room the eldest sons could stay and young priests sleep with the keys of the Temple Court in their custody. A fired burned continuously there to keep the occupants warm.

Incense for the temple was prepared by a family named Abtinas in the upper story of a special building in the courtyard, the Chamber of Abtinas

Josephus actually records several instances of impostors who enticed people into the desert and elsewhere with promises of the Messiah's appearance.

[Firstfruits]

Thank you for your replies, however it is written that there will be a falling away from the truth, many shall be deceived.

Jesus said that when the abomination that Daniel spoke of has come that we should not look for Jesus here, and those that claim/believe otherwise should not be believed. Paul confirms what Jesus said bytelling us that the antichrist must come first.

Are we already deceived if we believe that Jesus come before?

Mt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Are we already deceived?

Firstfruits

[Beckrl]

Thank you for your replies, however it is written that there will be a falling away from the truth, many shall be deceived.

Jesus said that when the abomination that Daniel spoke of has come that we should not look for Jesus here, and those that claim/believe otherwise should not be believed. Paul confirms what Jesus said bytelling us that the antichrist must come first.

Are we already deceived if we believe that Jesus come before?

Mt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Are we already deceived?

Firstfruits

I think we can add 2 Peter 1-3

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Are we already deceived?

I think not, but there in lay the problem. One can be deceived and not know it.
The key to not being decevied ; The Lord tells us over and over again in his word, “Let No Man Deceive You.” So, it is in our best interest to pay close attention to this warning.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.Eph.5:6

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive Eph.4:14

[Firstfruits]

I think we can add 2 Peter 1-3




I think not, but there in lay the problem. One can be deceived and not know it.
The key to not being decevied ; The Lord tells us over and over again in his word, “Let No Man Deceive You.” So, it is in our best interest to pay close attention to this warning.

Thanks Beckrl,

If therefore the key to not being deceived is by abiding in the truth of the gospel and the words of Jesus, then with regards to my question, are we using the key?

The complete question is this.

Are we already deceived if we believe that Jesus comes before?

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[Firstfruits]

If we believe that Jesus comes before the man of sin is revealed, even though the scriptures state that he come after he is revealed; 2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Should we teach what we have not been given, and will that cause us to be deceived?

1 Tim 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

God bless you!

Firstfruits

[ClayInHisHands]

My point is, the signs and wonders we see today via the Charismatic movement is part of the deception, like it or not, believe it or not.

I agree.

God performs miracles and when you look at the lives and the fruit of these pastors....Bentley, Bill Johnson, Wagner, Rick Joyner, etc. When these folks have gold dust and all kinds of hocus pocus going on...these are the types of things that awe people and it draws them in. Now, what I find more damaging is that these that I've mentioned write lots of books and alot of pastors and churches quote and develop alot of there applications to scripture from the opinions of these pastors/authors.

God is AWESOME!!!, YES INDEED!!!, but when one is REALLY healed by God, I do believe they would and will jump for joy and sing it from the roof tops. However, to the degree that it is being done within these corridors...it is bringing glory to these specific preachers and/or their particular ministries. Now, that is not to say someone can't be saved or healed in association to these things. God can heal and save in any situation.

For example, some people over the years who have attended Bill Graham Crusades have been truly saved. But it doesn't make Billy Graham a true follower of Christ. I know I am not the judge of Billy Graham and my intent is to not trash him, but I know if you reject that Jesus is the ONLY WAY, which he HAS and DID, then you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT KNOW GOD. If you can't agree to this last sentence...then something is seriously wrong in our understanding of what it means to be saved.

A lot of Christians get all upset if you use specific names to address false teachers and prophets.....but how else can you show people how they are being deceived if you don't point out to them WHO IS SPECIFICALLY DECEIVING THEM WITH HERESIES?

I SIN....DAILY, but God in His mercy convicts me of that SIN and daily picks me back up to follow Him. A lot of these teachers today...get all bent out of shape when you question something they've said. They claim you are hurting the body of Christ.

There are no gray areas with GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!! There's WRONG and there is RIGHT. There is such a thing as ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!!! Unfortunately, even Christians today do not believe there is 100% ABSOLUTE TRUTH......and therein lies the danger.

In Christ's Love

[divaD]

.it is bringing glory to these specific preachers and/or their particular ministries.

This reminds me of a non denominational church I went to yrs ago. They had huge banners, huge signs, outside describing the church and it's pastor. It looked something like this:


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Church on the Rock

Jesus is Lord

With Pastor Such and Such
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Obviously, even tho not realizing it at the time, not only was the name of the church elevated above the name of Jesus, so was the Pastor's name, and even more so.

[Firstfruits]

This reminds me of a non denominational church I went to yrs ago. They had huge banners, huge signs, outside describing the church and it's pastor. It looked something like this:


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Church on the Rock

Jesus is Lord

With Pastor Such and Such
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Obviously, even tho not realizing it at the time, not only was the name of the church elevated above the name of Jesus, so was the Pastor's name, and even more so.

Would you say if that church was well attended?

Firstfruits

[ClayInHisHands]

Would you say if that church was well attended?

Firstfruits

I'd say the same thing.

[divaD]

Would you say if that church was well attended?

Firstfruits

That church was well attended. It was a huge church. They had to have 2 seperate services, since there wasn't enough room to fit everyone into one service. But did you see my point? Notice the size of
Jesus is Lord' in comparison to the size of the name of the church, and the name of the pastor. The signs and banners alone are making a statement that the name of the church and the name of the pastor are being elevated above the name of Jesus.

[Firstfruits]

That church was well attended. It was a huge church. They had to have 2 seperate services, since there wasn't enough room to fit everyone into one service. But did you see my point? Notice the size of
Jesus is Lord' in comparison to the size of the name of the church, and the name of the pastor. The signs and banners alone are making a statement that the name of the church and the name of the pastor are being elevated above the name of Jesus.

Thanks DivaD,

Yes I see your point. We seem to be putting men above Jesus and above his word.

1 Cor 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

We find it easiier to trust man rather than God.

That makes things so easy for the beast to deceive if we cannot see what is already before us.

Mt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Mt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

They will without doubt see signs and wonders, and they will believe.

Jn 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

God bless you!

Firstfruits