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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post
    He was right on this..it happened then and has all through our church history.

    The Adam Clarke Commentary
    Verse 4. Take heed that no man deceive you.
    The world is full of deceivers, and it is only by taking heed to the counsel of Christ that even his followers can escape being ruined by them. From this to Matthew 24:31, our Lord mentions the signs which should precede his coming.

    The FIRST sign is false Christs.

    Verse 5. For many shall come in my name
    1. Josephus says, (War, b. ii. c. 13,) that there were many who, pretending to Divine inspiration, deceived the people, leading out numbers of them to the desert, pretending that God would there show them the signs of liberty, meaning redemption from the Roman power: and that an Egyptian false prophet led 30,000 men into the desert, who were almost all cut off by Felix. See Acts 21:38. It was a just judgment for God to deliver up that people into the hands of false Christs who had rejected the true one. Soon after our Lord's crucifixion, Simon Magus appeared, and persuaded the people of Samaria that he was the great power of God, Acts 8:9,10; and boasted among the Jews that he was the son of God.

    2. Of the same stamp and character was also Dositheus, the Samaritan, who pretended that he was the Christ foretold by Moses.

    3. About twelve years after the death of our Lord, when Cuspius Fadus was procurator of Judea, arose an impostor of the name of Theudas, who said he was a prophet, and persuaded a great multitude to follow him with their best effects to the river Jordan, which he promised to divide for their passage; and saying these things, says Josephus, he deceived many: almost the very words of our Lord.

    4. A few years afterwards, under the reign of Nero, while Felix was procurator of Judea, impostors of this stamp were so frequent that some were taken and killed almost every day. Jos. Ant. b. xx. c. 4. and 7.


    List of people who have claimed to be Jesus

    * Jim Jones - Claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus, Akhenaten, Buddha, Lenin, and Father Divine. [1] Organized a mass murder suicide at Jonestown, Guyana.
    * David Koresh - Born Vernon Wayne Howell, was the leader of a Branch Davidian religious sect, proclaimed that he was "the Son of God, the Lamb.
    * Marshall Applewhite - Applewhite posted a famous Usenet message declaring, "I, Jesus—Son of God—acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995: ...".[2] This was two years before he and his Heaven's Gate cult committed suicide to rendezvous with a spaceship hiding behind the comet Hale-Bopp.
    * Inri Cristo - A Brazilian man who claims to be the second Jesus.
    * Hong Xiuquan – Self-proclaimed "little brother" of Jesus Christ. He formed an army that fought in the Taiping Rebellion, which ultimately caused the deaths of over 25 million people.
    * Ahn Sang-hong – South Korean man worshiped by World Mission Society Church of God
    * José Luis de Jesús Miranda – Organizer of Growing in Grace who claims that the resurrected Christ "integrated himself within me".
    * Sun Myung Moon – Founder of the Unification Church, who considers himself the second coming of Christ, but not Jesus himself.
    * Jung Myung Seok – Founder of Providence Church, who also considers himself the second coming of Christ, but not Jesus himself.
    * Ariffin Mohamed – Also known as "Ayah Pin", the founder of the banned Sky Kingdom in Malaysia. He claims to be the incarnation of Jesus, as well as Muhammad, Shiva, and Buddha.[1]
    * Ayya Vaikundar – According to Akilattirattu Ammanai, the scripture of Ayyavazhi, Narayana, who was one among the trinity in Vaikundar was the one who incarnated as Jesus.
    * Matayoshi Jesus – In 1997 he established the World Economic Community Party based on his conviction that he is the God and Christ.[3]
    * Apollo C. Quiboloy – A Filipino pastor who claims to be the Christ. He has also marked Bro. Eli Soriano as being condemned to hell.
    * Arnold Potter - Schismatic Latter Day Saint leader; called himself "Potter Christ".
    * Charles Manson – Founder of The Family.
    * Sergei Torop – a Russian who claims to be "reborn" as Vissarion, the returned Jesus Christ. He founded the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis Tiberkul in Southern Siberia.[4]
    * Georges-Ernest Roux – Founder of the Universal Christian Church, now named Universal Alliance, clamed to be Jesus, then God, called the "Christ of Montfavet" or "Georges-Christ".
    * Suma Ching Hai - A meditation teacher who claims to be an incarnation of Avalokitesvara and a living reincarnation of the Buddha and Jesus Christ.
    * John Nichols Thom - Cornishman who claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and his body temple of the Holy Ghost. He was killed by British soldiers at the Battle of Bossenden Wood, on May 31, 1838 in Kent, England.
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    Hello Moonglow, Very good post, But, It don’t say they are coming saying “THEY ARE CHRIST” Jesus is talking, --They are coming in Jesus name, (representing Jesus) Saying “Jesus is Christ.” (Their message is “Jesus is Christ”)

    Mt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    Mt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. TWTaylor

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    Quote Originally Posted by T W Taylor View Post
    Hello Moonglow, Very good post, But, It don’t say they are coming saying “THEY ARE CHRIST” Jesus is talking, --They are coming in Jesus name, (representing Jesus) Saying “Jesus is Christ.” (Their message is “Jesus is Christ”)

    Mt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    Mt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. TWTaylor
    I disagree with your interpretation. Later in His discourse, He mentions false Christs.

    Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    So, what He is saying in Matthew 24:4-5 is that people would come in the name that belongs to Him alone, which is "Christ" (Messiah), and say that they are Christ instead of Jesus. That's what makes them a false Christ. They deceive people into thinking they are the Christ rather than Jesus. Think about it. What would be deceptive about people saying "Jesus is Christ" since that is the truth?

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    To be deceived is to believe a lie, and not knowing the difference.

    Synonyms: deceive, mislead, delude, beguile mean to lead astray or frustrate usually by underhandedness. Deceive implies imposing a false idea or belief that causes ignorance, bewilderment, or helplessness <tried to deceive me about the cost>. Mislead implies a leading astray that may or may not be intentional <I was misled by the confusing sign>. Delude implies deceiving so thoroughly as to obscure the truth <we were deluded into thinking we were safe>. Beguile stresses the use of charm and persuasion in deceiving <was beguiled by false promises>.

    People that are deceived will not know that they have been deceived. They will base their belief on someone else’s belief. The serpent in the garden deceived or better “beguiled” Eve and Adam. This is why Paul wrote;

    2 Cor. 11:

    3. “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguile Eve through his subtilty, so your mind should be corrupted from simplicity that is in Christ.

    4. For if he that cometh preaching another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”

    The “him” in verse 4 also can be translated “me” as Paul may have again been asking to bear with him as in verse 1.

    The Corinthian’s were being deceived by the false apostles that were speaking of Jesus, gospel and spirit in a more excellent way. The apostle desired to preserve the Corinthians from being corrupted by the false apostles. There is but one Jesus, one Spirit, and one gospel, to be preached to them, and received by them; and why should any be prejudiced, by the devices of an adversary, against him who first taught them in faith? They should not listen to men, who, without cause, would draw them away from those who were the means of their conversion.

    Paul also had to commend his own work because the Corinthian were so accepting this new Jesus from the false apostles by their excellent speaks.

    13. “For such are false apostles deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

    14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

    Remember that these called themselves apostles, but where in turn the apostles of Satan. So true today there are some that say they are of Christ, and claim to do his work, but are the ministers of Satan. The most deceitful way that this is used today in Christianity by Satan is to “love our neighbor” He would that we look over their sins and only show them love without any kind of rebuking so they need not to repent of sin. Without repentance of sin no one will be saved. Then some claim to be saved, but continue to sin and Satan would that we only show love. This would be another Jesus that some will come preaching and will deceive many.

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    Originally posted by MoonglowJohn 10:3-5 (New King James Version)

    3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

    Its not about just knowing God's Word..or going to church..or following a doctrine or set of ideas a person's church teaches..its about knowing Christ Jesus on a very personal level...so you know His voice! Then you cannot be lead astray..like so many I listed have been, resulting in their deaths.

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    Amen.


    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post
    Revelation 13 doesn't say the beast is a false Christ though, nor does it says he claims to be Christ. In fact "he blasphemy against God" Revelation 13:6. Those that follow him aren't following him thinking he is Jesus Christ at all actually.

    I think there is a big difference between those false Christ..actually claiming to be Jesus and the beast.

    God bless

    Excellent point, I don't think people really notice that.
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    You CANNOT rightly divide the word by plucking out ONE verse to prove a theory you devised! You just can't do that. If I adhered to your way of interpreting scripture, then I promise you I can show you a verse that will PROVE Jesus was the head of a gang of horse thieves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisLeast View Post
    Does it matter?
    Yes it really does matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    Yes it really does matter.
    Ok, how does it matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow View Post
    Revelation 13 doesn't say the beast is a false Christ though, nor does it says he claims to be Christ. In fact "he blasphemy against God" Revelation 13:6. Those that follow him aren't following him thinking he is Jesus Christ at all actually.

    I think there is a big difference between those false Christ..actually claiming to be Jesus and the beast.

    God bless
    The world is expecting Jesus to return, and tha antichrist claims to be God, but do we expect the false Christ to come as we expect Jesus to come, if not, would that not be a dead give away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    The world is expecting Jesus to return, and tha antichrist claims to be God, but do we expect the false Christ to come as we expect Jesus to come, if not, would that not be a dead give away?
    Which false Christ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisLeast View Post
    Ok, how does it matter?
    When Jesus returns there will be the false Christ and the false prophet here, they do not come in the same way, or do the same things. it is how the first beast comes in that may affect the way we believe and how the bible says that Jesus shall come.

    If we do not know between how the false Christ comes in then how will we know who he is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisLeast View Post
    Which false Christ?
    The one that is here at Christs return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    If we do not know between how the false Christ comes in then how will we know who he is?
    How do we know hte legitimate one right now?

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    What does the word 'christ' mean? if one study's that word.. then you will see that there are 'many false' christs today alive and active...

    christ means 'annointed' or the 'annointed one'..

    many today come and claim to have the 'annointing'.. just watch religious TV or listen to radio.. or even the Internet..one does not have to go very far to see that in full bloom...

    one who claims to follow Jesus or be His Dsciple.. and tells everybody that he/she has the annointing.. or is very annointed yet when confronted with their 'err' in doctrine..and they refuse to adhere to the Truth.... that would be a 'false christ'... and their conscious has been 'seared'....

    a person claiming to be 'annointed' yet teaching and promoting false doctrine.. that which is contrary to sound doctrine..

    is a false christ.. a 'false annointed one'.. they are usually well liked... have multitudes following them....power signs and lying wonders will usually accompany them...

    how can you tell the Spirit of God is present?

    those that 'confess' Jesus the Christ is God come in the flesh.. that's how we 'know' the Spirit of Truth is present..

    Genuine Believers recieve an 'unction'.. a smearing or 'portion of the annointing'... and 'know' all things... this recieved from the Holy One.. Jesus Himself..

    false christs are alive and well today.. planted by the evil one himself... they teach, preach, give false prohphecy and so on... they are alive and well today .. a signature of the last days... and they will decieve many..

    but God's Elect will no be decieved.. they will 'know' and discern who these 'false christs' are... because they have Recieved that 'Unction' or 'smearing of the annointing'.. and they know all things..

    unction is #5545 in the Greek..

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=G5545&t=KJV

    be not decieved... many false christs are alive and well today...
    Many appear Righteous and Just because they say 'yes' to Jesus Christ , yet they don't do His Will.
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    Hello John146, I don’t think I interpreted Matthew 24:4-5 I was just pointing out that Jesus was doing the talking when He said, “many shall come in my name” saying “I am the Christ”

    Quote - Jonn146 - I disagree with your interpretation. Later in His discourse, He mentions false Christs.


    Mt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you

    Mt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    Deceivers will come in Jesus name saying Jesus is the Christ.

    Jesus preached The Gospel of the Kingdom, and said the gospel of the Kingdom would be preached in all the world.

    Mt 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

    Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. TWTaylor

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    Quote Originally Posted by theBelovedDisciple View Post
    What does the word 'christ' mean? if one study's that word.. then you will see that there are 'many false' christs today alive and active...

    christ means 'annointed' or the 'annointed one'..

    many today come and claim to have the 'annointing'.. just watch religious TV or listen to radio.. or even the Internet..one does not have to go very far to see that in full bloom...

    one who claims to follow Jesus or be His Dsciple.. and tells everybody that he/she has the annointing.. or is very annointed yet when confronted with their 'err' in doctrine..and they refuse to adhere to the Truth.... that would be a 'false christ'... and their conscious has been 'seared'....

    a person claiming to be 'annointed' yet teaching and promoting false doctrine.. that which is contrary to sound doctrine..

    is a false

    christ.. a 'false annointed one'.. they are usually well liked... have multitudes following them....power signs and lying wonders will usually accompany them...

    how can you tell the Spirit of God is present?

    those that 'confess' Jesus the Christ is God come in the flesh.. that's how we 'know' the Spirit of Truth is present..

    Genuine Believers recieve an 'unction'.. a smearing or 'portion of the annointing'... and 'know' all things... this recieved from the Holy One.. Jesus Himself..

    false christs are alive and well today.. planted by the evil one himself... they teach, preach, give false prohphecy and so on... they are alive and well today .. a signature of the last days... and they will decieve many..

    but God's Elect will no be decieved.. they will 'know' and discern who these 'false christs' are... because they have Recieved that 'Unction' or 'smearing of the annointing'.. and they know all things..

    unction is #5545 in the Greek..

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=G5545&t=KJV

    be not decieved... many false christs are alive and well today...


    It looks like I'm at least on the same page with somebody here. I was beginning to wonder if I was all alone in my conclusions. IMO, your conclusions are pretty much spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T W Taylor View Post
    Hello Moonglow, Very good post, But, It don’t say they are coming saying “THEY ARE CHRIST” Jesus is talking, --They are coming in Jesus name, (representing Jesus) Saying “Jesus is Christ.” (Their message is “Jesus is Christ”)

    Mt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    Mt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. TWTaylor
    You posted it right there in the verse...they claim to be Christ. John146 also gave a good explanation of this. But you are also correct in false prophets..false teachers and preachers WILL claim they come in Christ's Name as Beckrl and theBelovedDisciple pointed out so well. The key here is realizing the difference. In one part Jesus said people will claim to be the Christ...which is what I was addressing. People that actually claimed all through history to be Jesus Christ returned. Many others are now talking about false prophets..false preachers, etc, that Jesus also warned us about. These are both things to watch out for but two seperate topics actually. A false preacher doesn't claim to be Christ..but claims his works is done by the authority of Christ as he asks for tons of money.. And many other things we all know so well.

    Saved7

    Originally posted by MoonglowJohn 10:3-5 (New King James Version)

    3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”

    Its not about just knowing God's Word..or going to church..or following a doctrine or set of ideas a person's church teaches..its about knowing Christ Jesus on a very personal level...so you know His voice! Then you cannot be lead astray..like so many I listed have been, resulting in their deaths.

    God bless

    Amen.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonglow
    Revelation 13 doesn't say the beast is a false Christ though, nor does it says he claims to be Christ. In fact "he blasphemy against God" Revelation 13:6. Those that follow him aren't following him thinking he is Jesus Christ at all actually.
    I think there is a big difference between those false Christ..actually claiming to be Jesus and the beast.

    God bless

    Excellent point, I don't think people really notice that.
    That is what has gone wrong on this thread. People call the beast in Revelation the antichrist..combining him with the verses about the antichrist...yet Jesus said this about the antichrist:

    1 John 2:18
    Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour


    Jesus speaking over 2000 years ago saying many antichrist have come. It had already happened and it was many..not just one. And He didn't say in some future time thousands of years later antichrist would come. He said they already had!

    The beast in Revelation is never called an antichrist. Never tries to fool people by saying he is Christ either. Never pretends at all. There is no connection between the antichrist Jesus is talking about and the beast. I could call my neighbors across the street antichrist because they don't believe in Jesus. People are attaching a meaning to the beast due to people combining the two for years now. Calling the beast the antichrist. The bible just doesnt' say that.

    There are only four verses about the antichrist in the NT...here are the other three:

    1 John 2:22
    Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

    1 John 4:3
    and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

    2 John 1:7
    For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


    Pretty much half the world or more is an antichrist. Technically we can say the beast is as he is against God..but it just adds too much confusion in people thinking someone will claim to be Christ that isn't..and due to fictional books, movies, etc on the end times everyone thinks a man will claim to be Jesus Christ and fool many people into believing he is and they will worship him by mistake of course...but this is not how Revelation describes the beast at all. Everyone is looking for THE dreaded antichrist..but this isn't what the bible says.

    I think I have Revelation 13 burned into my memory forever due to all the discussion on the beast and there just is nothing that would cause even the weakness Christian to think this was Christ. He does not pretend to be Christ. Never says he is Christ. Not even the antichrist pretend to be Christ. Those verses just don't say that. They clearly DENY Christ.

    People need to read Revelation 13 again. Where does it say he pretends to be Christ? Or say he is? There are two beast in Revelation 13 and both are clearly against God. And it clearly says only those who's names are not written in the book of life will be deceived. We won't...our names are written in the book of life.

    8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.

    Trying to mix up the verses about the false Messiah's..the antichrist and the beasts is only going to cause alot of confusion.

    God bless
    "People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson

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