Buying & Selling In The End Times

[kay-gee]

[QUOTE=arcadia;2319753]To some Jesus will come unexpectedly like a thief in the night. Others will not know the hour but will will know the times and seasons. We are to keep sober and keep watch for signs.

Does this mean we jump to conclusions with every newspaper headline? No!

But it appears to me that this is how Revelation is indeed interpreted by the modern day prophecy buffs.

Times are changing (world wide). Symbols are to interpreted by us. It's for us today. All the best! :wave

Times have always been changing. Do you think there were no changes when man moved from the agriculture age into the industrial age? Change is inherent in the physical world. Nothing is new. As a matter of fact Jesus said it will be a day like any other when He returns. We'll be eating and drinking as usual. Marrying and being given in marriage. No signs. Could be thousands of years away.

all the best...

[JoshuasGal79]

Not being able to buy anything just reaffirms the need to totally rely on God and make Him our provision.
If God tells people to stock up food then that is their righteousness, but if they stock up food with alterior motives as maybe fear or greed then God may use their provision to distribute it as He sees fit. It's all possible. If He can send angels to tend to His people should I worry whether or not I can buy something?
Also as to knowing what the mark is. And I am only stating these things as my opinion! Definitely discuss if you disagree All insight is helpful. I feel as though when He says aknowledge me in all thy ways and I will make your paths straight (I am terrible at quoting and maybe I should look this up and give the verse, sorry I am lazy :S) I feel as if someone makes me an offer I should always double check in prayer and that is the benefit we have with Christ and the Holy Spirit that He intercedes for us and will lead us in whichever way to go. He has made nobel pots for noble purposes and not so noble ones for lesser purposes, but every little deed is made great in the Lord. So whatever He has planned for me I just have to trust in His Word and His promises If I die I will live with Christ, if I have to suffer I will suffer with Christ but we will also have the Glory. This is the way walk ye in it If you follow Jesus you follow the light if you follow the world you die with the world. So to truly live with Jesus we have to be crucified to the world which is a very hard thing to do cause we have to live in it for now, but God's Grace is awesome!

We just really have to encourage eachother in the Word in those times and drinking or eating will be probably the least of our worries as to understand the times and comfort the lost and try to bring them to the light as well. God has brought me through some times I couldn't see I was spinning around in my own suffering and anger and worries and fears, but He was always there with His love. So when I have trials now I look to where He is and I listen to hear His voice and it may be in a song or in a comforting memory or the comfort of a fellow believer, so I hope I can be that comfort to someone aswell.
We can be perplexed and tricked with the mark , but the Spirit won't stand for it and won't let you sin

[Stormcrow]

Don't worry. Be happy.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html

[John 8:32]

Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone quoted Psa 91...

Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
Psa 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
Psa 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
Psa 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
Psa 91:16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

[buster]

Correct me if i am wrong with the following two statements:

1) The Bible says the believers will be spared the wrath of God when He pours out His judgement on the earth, right?
2) To buy and sell in the end times you must have taken the mark of the beast, right?

for now i am going to assume those two verses are correct. so, if the believers are still on earth during the end times, how are we going to survive if we refuse to take the mark?

if we cant buy, what do we do? starve? steal?

if we cant sell, where do we get money to buy? but yet, we cant buy so what good does money do us?

will God supply everything we need for us? like the way he fed the 5,000?

or will we be immune from God's wrath? even so, we still have to buy food.

or will we be taken out of this world, as in Raptured?


Mike

There are people who live in the rainforests around the world. As far as I know it, those people, known as Rainforest People, get their water, food and shelter from the rainforest. In the rainforest, it is likely very easy to live off the land with absolutely no need for any kind of money, therefore making it way far easier to live without the mark. Food can be grown right in the ground in the rainforest, food such as lettuce, oranges, bananas, broccoli, corn, wheat, soybeans, papayas, mangoes, figs, avocados, tomatoes, potatoes, peanuts, coconuts, and other stuff. And the lack of any frosts and/or freezes in the tropical rainforest makes survival all that much easier.

[T W Taylor]

Correct me if i am wrong with the following two statements:

1) The Bible says the believers will be spared the wrath of God when He pours out His judgement on the earth, right?
2) To buy and sell in the end times you must have taken the mark of the beast, right?

for now i am going to assume those two verses are correct. so, if the believers are still on earth during the end times, how are we going to survive if we refuse to take the mark?

if we cant buy, what do we do? starve? steal?

if we cant sell, where do we get money to buy? but yet, we cant buy so what good does money do us?

will God supply everything we need for us? like the way he fed the 5,000?

or will we be immune from God's wrath? even so, we still have to buy food.

or will we be taken out of this world, as in Raptured?


Mike

I believe God will provide for those who come to Him and diligently seek Him, But He might be providing a way to prepare for your family now and you are not doing it.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

[awestruckchild]

Yes the word will be fulfilled completely. And I think this scripture reinforces what I am stating. The bible tells us that it will be a time in which people are persecuted for their faith in God. I think it will grow in scope and magnitude across the globe. Some sections will see persecution before others, and in the end everyone will have the opportunity to either take the mark or deny the mark.

I fully convinced that the Mark will not be brought about by trickery. People will downplay its importance, but it will be a visible concrete action on your part to worship the beast. Why would God condemn anyone if they were tricked into doing something? God is just in everything he does, and saying that someone can lose their soul because they were tricked into something is not how I see God.

The sepent tricked me and I ate...

[Watchman]

I am His forevermore. That is far, far more than enough. The first death is temporary. Whatever He has in store for me, and for each of us, is for our good and for His glory. He will keep us informed as we need to know. Thank you Father.

Watchman

[excubitor]

Correct me if i am wrong with the following two statements:

1) The Bible says the believers will be spared the wrath of God when He pours out His judgement on the earth, right?
2) To buy and sell in the end times you must have taken the mark of the beast, right?

for now i am going to assume those two verses are correct. so, if the believers are still on earth during the end times, how are we going to survive if we refuse to take the mark?

if we cant buy, what do we do? starve? steal?

Go hungry but the Lord will provide for you before you starve.

if we cant sell, where do we get money to buy? but yet, we cant buy so what good does money do us?

You might be able to barter for things with sympathetic people. Many Germans helped the Jews during the war so during the tribulation there might be people who help us. Personally I believe that God will show clemency to those who have the mark of the beast who show compassion and assistance to those who do not. I have no evidence for this from my scripture, but it is my own personal conjecture.

will God supply everything we need for us? like the way he fed the 5,000?

Yes, but this does not mean that we will not at times be cold and hungry like the apostle Paul was. However I think starvation is the least of your worries. Death from martyrdom is the most likely outcome.

or will we be immune from God's wrath? even so, we still have to buy food.

Why do we have to buy food? Are you saying that God cannot feed his children unless they have money? It may be that the wisest course will be going into the wilderness and living off the land. Personally I believe that there will be a warning before the Tribulation starts. Those who are prepared and heed the warning will be taken to refuges, places of safety where they will be fed by angels for 3.5 years. (That's what Revelation says anyway. Some people believe Revelation).
Those who are not worthy, prepared and who do not flee when warned and who remain in the homes in the cities will be subjected to the wrath of the antiChrist. Please note. The Great Tribulation is not the wrath of God. It is the wrath of the Beast.

or will we be taken out of this world, as in Raptured?
Mike

We will not be raptured until the return of Christ which is after the Great Tribulation. The pre-trib rapture is a false teaching.

[Marc B]

Revelation 14:10 reveals that those who receive the mark of the Beast will have the wrath of God poured upon them. Notice the Apostle Paul's clear teaching about the recipients of God's wrath. Colossians 3:6 tells us that "the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience." The mark of the Beast is therefore a brand of disobedience to God. It marks those who refuse to keep God's commandments in spite of both the preaching of the two witnesses and even the final warning delivered by an angel of God (Revelation 14:9).

The mark of the Beast stands clearly as a brand of disobedience to God and His laws. Does the Bible reveal a contrasting sign of obedience that identifies God's true people? Notice Exodus 31:13–17. Here God declared to ancient Israel that His Sabbaths were a sign between Him and His people forever! The Sabbath is the test commandment to identify the true God of creation and the people who are obedient to His commands and laws.

Revelation 13 explains that the mark of the Beast, a brand of disobedience to God, is taken upon the hand and the forehead. Just as disobedience is described as worn upon the hand and forehead, so also is obedience to God's law. Notice Deuteronomy 6. "Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and commandments… And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes" (verses 1–2, 8). The hand is symbolic of actions, while the forehead is the seat of intellect. Obedience to God involves both actions (hand) and will (forehead).

[svfox]

I still think buying and selling is the teaching and learning of the gospel which is in the church.
Churches will get so of course that every true believer will be forced out and there will not be any faithful churches teaching Jesus' gospel.
Since most of the teachings are double edged I wouldn't doubt there is also a restriction on buying and selling goods..food, commodities etc.....

[DurbanDude]

Correct me if i am wrong with the following two statements:

1) The Bible says the believers will be spared the wrath of God when He pours out His judgement on the earth, right?
2) To buy and sell in the end times you must have taken the mark of the beast, right?

for now i am going to assume those two verses are correct. so, if the believers are still on earth during the end times, how are we going to survive if we refuse to take the mark?

if we cant buy, what do we do? starve? steal?

if we cant sell, where do we get money to buy? but yet, we cant buy so what good does money do us?

will God supply everything we need for us? like the way he fed the 5,000?

or will we be immune from God's wrath? even so, we still have to buy food.

or will we be taken out of this world, as in Raptured?


Mike

I believe we will be there during the tribulation. I think there will be various ways of survival, the point though is not to be too concerned about the survival of the physical body, but to be more concerned about spiritual survival. To be careful of drunkenness/dissipation/worries of this world/fears etc.

Remember the beast is foremost a country, the leader of the country is the antichrist. Each country could have its own set of circumstances, please note the wording is "or":
13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

This could mean that in some countries, maybe the west, it will be tougher than other countries. Maybe in some countries you will be marked on the hand/forehead, in other countries you just have to have the name of the beast (be a national of the beast country), in other countries the number of the beast (maybe products have to labelled in those countries to buy or sell much like the Halal system).

[T W Taylor]

Rev 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

Rev 13:17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Is there anybody, or any group of people that have a mark, or put a mark on their forehead now? - Is there anyone who could be deceived into taking a mark on their forehead by someone that could be a false prophet now? - Maybe about two billion people? (I think there might be)