By His Stripes We Are Healed

[newinchrist4now]

No he wasn't disabled.

Your opinion, which as I have been readin are very strange indeed

[Reynolds357]

You missed the point. Paul asked that it be removed three times and it was not. Was Paul's faith no strong enough?

I got the point. Paul was not entitled to have a ministry free of persecution. God plainly tells us that our ministry will suffer persecution.

[Reynolds357]

You may be correct, but there is another option, and it's not demons. By time of Acts, the Apostles had no problems dealing with demons. The other option I considered was the regret Paul had for persecuting/hurting so many believers. He may have been forgiven, but the natural consequences of sin do not 'disappear.' Those people Paul persecuted had thier lives turned upside down and many, if not most were probably still suffering even as Paul wrote this letter.

But you are correct in this - Paul had very poor eyesight, possibly he never fully recovered from the Damasek road incident. God didn't 'heal' that.

Show me in scripture that Paul had poor eyesight. Scripture does NOT say that he did.

[Reynolds357]

Hogwash! Total hogwash.

If I were to word something like that I would get in trouble with the mods.

[theBelovedDisciple]

But you are correct in this - Paul had very poor eyesight, possibly he never fully recovered from the Damasek road incident. God didn't 'heal' that.
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Heresay and speculation.... I strongly disagree with this statement..

show me in Scripture where Paul didn't get his whole eyesight back...

Paul 'saw good enough.. >>>>>>>>>> .................. to cast out devils out of people..

One has to have both physical and spiritual eyes 'working' to do that .. not to say his/her ears.. attune to the Voice of the Lord... and discerning.....

[Desperaux]

But you are correct in this - Paul had very poor eyesight, possibly he never fully recovered from the Damasek road incident. God didn't 'heal' that.
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Heresay and speculation.... I strongly disagree with this statement..

show me in Scripture where Paul didn't get his whole eyesight back...

Paul 'saw good enough.. >>>>>>>>>> .................. to cast out devils out of people..

One has to have both physical and spiritual eyes 'working' to do that .. not to say his/her ears.. attune to the Voice of the Lord... and discerning.....

Amen! There is nothing in scripture that ever says that Paul was chronically ill or afflicted! That error suits those who choose to believe that God wills us to be ill.

[Reynolds357]

Amen! there is nothing in scripture that ever says that Paul was chronically ill or afflicted! That error suits those who choose to beleive that God wills us to be ill.

Yes. It is a demonstration of convenient theology.

[Zack702]

Isn't it possible that one leads to the other and vise versa.

That is spirit healing eventually leading to physical healing.

Or physical healing eventually leading to spiritual healing.

Aside from what exactly kind of healing that we want to tack on to "by his stripes we are healed".

Both types come from the source of life.

However by reasoning I can see why spirit should come first.
Seeing how our bodies are all going to the same place and in the same direction only differing in the path that leads there.

[Dani H]

Going to close this thread temporarily to give everyone a chance to step back and rethink their approaches toward one another. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.