Many provisions were made in the atonement of Christ. Accepting one does not automatically make all manifest.Originally Posted by Matt14
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Many provisions were made in the atonement of Christ. Accepting one does not automatically make all manifest.
I live here!
When one posts Calvinistic beliefs the only logical conclusion is that they are a Calvinist.
Followers of Arminius doctrine do not diminish the role of the messenger.
Servant
And I apologize if I seemed to skirt a question, I see a post you made to me a couple pages back that I did not see when you made it. Sorry about that.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
Why is Isaiah 53:4-5 not sufficient scripture for you to see that Jesus' completed work on the cross had a physical element to it?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
Servant
So now you are saying a person CAN believe and obey Christ to receive salvation and still have a physical illness?
I'm getting confused on what you really believe.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
A comparable scenario . . .
Why can a person be a genuine Christian and not experience joy or peace or longsuffering? If a person doesn't experience joy, peace or longsuffering does that then also mean they are not a Christian?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
Oh, mostly sarcasm.....I guess..... I'm not a Calvinist, but apparently someone thinks I am
http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...55#post2319355
Servant
"We are healed." Complete and done. This phrase is referring to the things in 53:5, not 53:4.
When one believes and obeys the gospel, he is healed completly of all past sin. That is what healed means.
If the "healed" in 53:5 is talking about sin AND illlness, whatever illness a person suffers when they become a Christian should be gone.
If the sin is gone, then so should the illness.
But that is not what Isa. 53:5 is saying.
I believe I addressed this on the Isaiah thread.
OK. so show me excatly what I posted that is "calvinistic"
I don't follow Calvin or Arminius. If you must know, I follow a Jewish Rabbi.
I live here!
Play nice.
I don't know anyone that "follows" Calvin or Arminius. All of us follow Jesus.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
And when we receive God's Spirit we are given every spiritual blessing. It's done and complete. However, why still do we not always experience peace or joy?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
2 Chronicles 7:15-16
The question is... by the leading of Calvin, Arminius... or the Holy Spirit?
Me, I'll follow by the lead of the Holy Spirit. That way, it's His way... not some dudes way.
Slug1--out
~Do not quench the Spirit ~ 1 Thessalonians 5:19~
~"So what hardship are you willing to endure, to see My will accomplished through you?"~
~Your relationship isn't knowing "ABOUT" GOD! Relationship is to "KNOW" GOD,
so that in the end and you stand before Him for the first time in heaven… HE KNOWS YOU~
~Do we, as Christians witness Jesus to the lost because we love Jesus? Or do we witness Jesus to the lost because we love them as Jesus loves them?~
~A prompting from God means that you are to DO. Thinking, causes you to... NOT DO!~
~Being on the tall mountain is where "you" go, to meet with God. Being in the deep valley is where "God" goes, to meet with you!~
I live here!
That is not now what I am saying. That is what I have said all along.
Servant
In this post:
http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...66#post2323366
You said if one still has an illness, they have not truly believed and obeyed the gospel.
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