By His Stripes We Are Healed

***Reynolds357*** · Jan 14th 2010, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by goykodesh

If you say the word of God says 'it is' then please provide Scripture to back up your claim. Attacking my character and my faith will not help further your doctrine.

How many times have we posted this scripture? Refer to post 110 for the last time it was posted. Especially pay close attention to James 5:14-16. How did I attack your character? How did I attack your faith? Reminding you that Jesus told his disciples that they could not cast out the demon and bring healing to the perosn because of their unbelief (or lack of faith, depending oun what translation you use) is not an assault on your faith. It is a statement of fact that you can interpret any way you like.

***Reynolds357*** · Jan 14th 2010, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by goykodesh

God can do anything He deems necessary to His purposes. That doesn't make Him a "Healer on demand." We do not dictate to God.

What separates man from God's blessing is disobedience and unbelief.

We do not dictate to God. He made promises and we in Faith fully believe Him to keep His Word.

***Reynolds357*** · Jan 14th 2010, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by goykodesh

God can do anything, even heal. I've seen it myself. In people of faith and even with people who had rejected Him. But it has NOTHING to do with the level of faith of the person being healed. A .

What scriptural support do you have for your premise that healing has nothing to do with the faith of the person being healed. To truly believe this, one must leave the Gospels out of the Bible.
The Woman with the issue of blood? Need I go on and on and on?

goykodesh · Jan 14th 2010, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Reynolds357

How many times have we posted this scripture? Refer to post 110 for the last time it was posted. Especially pay close attention to James 5:14-16. How did I attack your character? How did I attack your faith? Reminding you that Jesus told his disciples that they could not cast out the demon and bring healing to the perosn because of their unbelief (or lack of faith, depending oun what translation you use) is not an assault on your faith. It is a statement of fact that you can interpret any way you like.

The troubke with this one-demensional thinking is this:

And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.
(John 9:2-3)

Your ways are not above God's ways, nor your thoughts above God's thoughts. God may or may not cure a person; you are not to judge their level of faith or obedience to God by their physical state. If we went down that road, I could easily blame most people's ailments on not trusting God and eating the garbage God said not to.

***VerticalReality*** · Jan 14th 2010, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by goykodesh

God can do anything He deems necessary to His purposes. That doesn't make Him a "Healer on demand." We do not dictate to God.

What separates man from God's blessing is disobedience and unbelief.

Who says it's about dictating? Do we dictate to God when we receive salvation from sin . . . or does He just give freely?

goykodesh · Jan 14th 2010, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by VerticalReality

Who says it's about dictating? Do we dictate to God when we receive salvation from sin . . . or does He just give freely?

Apple: "How are you doing?"
Orange: "I am fine, thank you."
Apple: "I say something is wrong with you, for you are colored orange. There must be sin hidden in your peel."

***VerticalReality*** · Jan 14th 2010, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by goykodesh

Apple: "How are you doing?"
Orange: "I am fine, thank you."
Apple: "I say something is wrong with you, for you are colored orange. There must be sin hidden in your peel."

Are you addressing my statements for discussion purposes? Is there something about my comments you do not understand? Did you know that the same word used extensively throughout scripture for salvation from sin is also used for physical healing?

***Reynolds357*** · Jan 14th 2010, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by goykodesh

. God may or may not cure a person; .

What is your Biblical precident for this opinion?

goykodesh · Jan 14th 2010, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by VerticalReality

Are you addressing my statements for discussion purposes? Is there something about my comments you do not understand? Did you know that the same word used extensively throughout scripture for salvation from sin is also used for physical healing?

Show me please.

**newinchrist4now** · Jan 14th 2010, 10:36 PM

God never cured Paul. One thing that kept making me walk away was people said because I was still disabled I didn't have enough faith, this still makes me mad as if they knew me. I am disabled and God has left me that way and I consider it a blessing.

**Vhayes** · Jan 14th 2010, 10:43 PM

My husband may well be going blind.

My business is gasping for breath.

And someone who knows me not has the audacity to tell me it's because my faith is lacking?

All I can say is pride cometh before a fall. Or a serious box up along side the head.

goykodesh · Jan 14th 2010, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Vhayes

My husband may well be going blind.

My business is gasping for breath.

And someone who knows me not has the audacity to tell me it's because my faith is lacking?

All I can say is pride cometh before a fall. Or a serious box up along side the head.

No worries Vhayes, I have ADD and my son has high functioning autism, so I must be wallowing in unrepented sin and also the cause of my son's disability. Obviously.

**Vhayes** · Jan 14th 2010, 11:06 PM

Once upon a time, I had a dear friend. Actually he was a friend of both my husband and myself and was a part of our wedding. He was a Viet Nam veteran.

Gary became a part of a group that taught you can claim physical health by having enough faith because Jesus already appropriated that health - a person only needed to claim it as their own. Gary had diabetes and had to take insulin injections to keep it stabilized. Gary was told repeatedly by the head teacher/leader of the group that his faith was lacking - his diabetes was cured at the cross. Gary believed. He believed with all his heart. Gary stopped taking his insulin. Gary died from insulin shock. The teacher told everyone at the funeral that Gary simply did not have enough faith to claim that health that was his for the asking and gee, wasn't that a shame.

I personally thought the man should have been brought up on manslaughter charges. But God had a better plan. The teacher got cancer of the eyes. He died. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

goykodesh · Jan 15th 2010, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by newinchrist4now

God never cured Paul. One thing that kept making me walk away was people said because I was still disabled I didn't have enough faith, this still makes me mad as if they knew me. I am disabled and God has left me that way and I consider it a blessing.

See, that's the thing. You, me, my son, my wife, Vhayes, her husband - we all have disabilities / afflictions - yet GOD HAS HEALED US, just not in the way someone who only looks at the outer appearance would expect. Just the honor to serve Him as we are is an incredible blessiing. God is truely an equal opportunity King!

Your witness is truely a blessiing. Praise God who gets the Glory, blessed be His Name.

May God's peace be upon you.

***VerticalReality*** · Jan 15th 2010, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by goykodesh

Show me please.

The word is sozo . . .

To show you the scriptures would take a LONG time. It is translated 93 times throughout the word as "save", 9 times as "make whole", 3 times as "heal", and 2 times as "be whole" . . .