Calvinism vs Arminiamism

[Brother Mark]

Well, I suppose it's time to bring out an old line I heard years ago.

To my Calvinist friends, I say I was predestined to be Arminian. I tell my Arminian friends, that I choose to be Calvinist.

[The Mighty Sword]

How about an Calarminiaist.

[Athanasius]

How about an Calarminiaist.

Also known as the third - forgotten - option: the Lutheran view.

[Brother Mark]

Also known as the third - forgotten - option: the Lutheran view.

What is the Lutheran view? The reason I ask... I find myself believing aspects of both doctrines and finding some of both doctrines entirely wrong (in my opinion). I think both sides bring good and bad theology to the table.

[Athanasius]

What is the Lutheran view? The reason I ask... I find myself believing aspects of both doctrines and finding some of both doctrines entirely wrong (in my opinion). I think both sides bring good and bad theology to the table.

God predestines everyone who goes to heaven, however, those who go to Hell do so under no 'predestination' of God. This more or less refuses to acknowledge the distinction between Calvinism and Hyper-Calvinism.

[Brother Mark]

God predestines everyone who goes to heaven, however, those who go to Hell do so under no 'predestination' of God. This more or less refuses to acknowledge the distinction between Calvinism and Hyper-Calvinism.

So what would the distinction between hyper-calvinism and calvinism be? And in the lutheran view, must one be part of the "elect", i.e. predestined to go to heaven, in order to actually be saved?

[The Mighty Sword]

Also known as the third - forgotten - option: the Lutheran view.

Ok fine, A Luthcalarminiast. Happy???.

[Athanasius]

So what would the distinction between hyper-calvinism and calvinism be? And in the lutheran view, must one be part of the "elect", i.e. predestined to go to heaven, in order to actually be saved?

Sorry, wrong term (what was I thinking). It denies the distinction between destination and double-destination. The former that God only predestinations to heaven, the latter that God predestins both to heaven and to hell.

[Slug1]

God predestines everyone who goes to heaven, however, those who go to Hell do so under no 'predestination' of God. This more or less refuses to acknowledge the distinction between Calvinism and Hyper-Calvinism.

Sorry, wrong term (what was I thinking). It denies the distinction between destination and double-destination. The former that God only predestinations to heaven, the latter that God predestins both to heaven and to hell.

OH Please... the confusion gets worse? Can't we all just get along

Or better yet... forget all the "isms" and all the "ists" and simply serve God, through Jesus as led by the Holy Spirit and remove all these dudes who want to think for us. Just remove them from the relationship!!

[Athanasius]

OH Please... the confusion gets worse? Can't we all just get along

Or better yet... forget all the "isms" and all the "ists" and simply serve God, through Jesus as led by the Holy Spirit and take all these dudes who want to think for us!!

As a Calvinist I take no responsibility; God willed it. See, Calvinism is so nonsensical not even I can make heads or tails of it

[Brother Mark]

Sorry, wrong term (what was I thinking). It denies the distinction between destination and double-destination. The former that God only predestinations to heaven, the latter that God predestins both to heaven and to hell.

OK... but does that mean if you aren't predestined to heaven, then you are doomed for hell? Or is there room for one who wasn't predestined to get saved? It's hard to see the difference in the two doctrines if the effect is the same. I mean, if all are headed to hell by default and only those predestined to heaven get saved, then what's the difference?

[grit]

OH Please... the confusion gets worse? Can't we all just get along

Or better yet... forget all the "isms" and all the "ists" and simply serve God, through Jesus as led by the Holy Spirit and remove all these dudes who want to think for us. Just remove them from the relationship!!

No Calvinist is an island. We're more akin to a bed of tulips or thistles.

[Brother Mark]

OH Please... the confusion gets worse? Can't we all just get along

Or better yet... forget all the "isms" and all the "ists" and simply serve God, through Jesus as led by the Holy Spirit and remove all these dudes who want to think for us. Just remove them from the relationship!!

You mean have people stop shoving doctrine down other's throats? That's one reason I avoid most OSAS/NOSAS threads and most calvinism/arminianism threads other thant to say a few short things.

[Slug1]

You mean have people stop shoving doctrine down other's throats? That's one reason I avoid most OSAS/NOSAS threads and most calvinism/arminianism threads other thant to say a few short things.

uuuhgg, I keep getting into the OSAS/NOSAS discussions... here, take my laptop away!!

I'm not smart enough to understand all the isms.

[Brother Mark]

uuuhgg, I keep getting into the OSAS/NOSAS discussions... here, take my laptop away!!

I'm not smart enough to understand all the isms.

LOL! I hear ya. It's like the gross factor with guys. If it's gross, we have to look.