And how many of us, while we accuse Haitians of a corrupt version of Christianity, never praise God out loud in public?
Wonder what it'll take to get us to do it ...
Jesus is enough
And how many of us, while we accuse Haitians of a corrupt version of Christianity, never praise God out loud in public?
Wonder what it'll take to get us to do it ...
Formerly moonglow
Isn't that the truth. I don't understand why we say in our own country those that claim to believe in God aren't doing it right then be more concered about whether their beliefs are right or not? That doesn't make much sense. I think we need to worry about our own 'house' before worrying about others..Originally Posted by DaniHansen
And how many of us, while we accuse Haitians of a corrupt version of Christianity, never praise God out loud in public?
Wonder what it'll take to get us to do it ...
God bless
"People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson
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Be praying for my wife and me; we (along with several other families in our church community) are going to attempt to adopt one or two of the newly orphaned Haitian children - a nursing baby and a toddler, if we could have it our way. Thank you for your prayers!
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Formerly moonglow
Great! Be sure to post this on the pray forum too. I will be praying for you and the children on this!
God bless
"People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson
Jesus is enough
Absolutely! Bless you for that. Make sure to post a request in the Prayer forum also if you haven't already!
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The secular world and Christians both seem surprised by the amazing faith of the Haitians. Maybe the state of the church in the US isn't as good as it could be if deep faith amid trials is something we find amazing and surprising.And how many of us, while we accuse Haitians of a corrupt version of Christianity, never praise God out loud in public?
Wonder what it'll take to get us to do it ...
Formerly moonglow
A mother's futile effort to keep daughter alive
This is Sonia Flury's story, translated by Camala Jourdain, a Miami nurse working in Haiti under the auspices of the Haitian American Nurses Association.
My name is Sonia Flury, and I'm 40 years old, and I live in the Canape Verte section of Port-au-Prince with my 20-year-old daughter, Pascale Delmas.
It was about 4:30 p.m. and I was lying in bed with my daughter when we felt the house started to shake. We felt the house cave in and all the furniture fell down around us. We yelled "Help me, help me," and then we heard cries from the people on the upper floors crying out for help, too. Three stories fell on top of us. Then we felt the roof fall in. The only thing that kept the roof from falling on top of us was that I have a dresser that has three tiers, and the dresser caught the roof.
After everything fell on top of us, I was lying on the bed on my back and my daughter fell into a hole next to the bed, with only her head above the rubble. She was by my left shoulder, and I put my arm around her head and cradled it. Neither one of us could move; we were surrounded on all sides by concrete and crammed in by the concrete walls.
My daughter said, "I need to get out so I can drink. I'm thirsty." She cried and started to panic. I consoled my daughter, and we started singing. We sang, "Keep me, keep me, God of love, give me a safe place to stay close to you. Let me find a place to hide behind you, and I know you will never leave me." I told God, "If it is your will for me to die, send your angels to come get me and receive me into your kingdom, but if your will is for me to stay alive, keep me alive so I can testify to the miracles you've performed in my life." I just sang and prayed to God to let me live so that I could live a spiritual life for him.
Read the rest at the link. The whole story is extremely difficult and awful to read though..so reader beware on that. I think we need to realize that things took place ..people do things they wouldn't normally do, when in a life and death situation like this. Some of the things done between the mother and her daughter here would bring into question for some of their faith or their sanity even. But none of us can know we wouldn't do the same being in the same situation either. Its a terrible and heart breaking story..and sadly one of probably thousands there too.
God bless
"People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson
Grand Master
I am so proud to see stories like this emerge out of all the terrible news we have seen in Haiti. I know it has to be just horrible down there. You know we see the devastation on our TV, but we can turn it off in a moment’s notice and watch something entertaining or go have a comforting meal. I just feel horrible that I do not have something to send down there to help those poor souls. I hope next month my budget will not be this tight, and I am sure they will still be in need. I know many have strong feelings about the wide spread corruption in that country, but maybe this tragedy will encourage more ministries to take a larger role in helping those in need down there. Our presence in the rebuilding process may become a life changing experience for many who do not know Christ now. I do hope that God pours out a special blessing on them during this terrible time.
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I agree that Christ has a great plan despite all the tragedies we face. The Haitians knew His promises were true. Christ promised of a beautiful life with Him, in His Kingdom, and we, as earthly children of God should focus on His Kingdom, rather than the earth that is to perish with its entire earthly kingdoms. May our focuses also remain in Christ, even at the point of death!
The Lord reminded us in the Scriptures that the birth pangs have already started, when the end is nearing, we ought to experience such things and be even ready for His coming.
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. - Luke 21:11
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. - Matthew 24:7
In such tragedies, I remember His Words... "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7, NKJV)
Let us praise the Lord, O souls for Christ!
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Formerly moonglow
I wouldn't be too concerned about donating now..they are getting alot of donations. Its later when people have forgotten they may need more. Right now they need prayers..and prayer are a powerful thing indeed!
Pray for those trying to help these people too..its very, very tough right now. Worse then any of us could image:
Hard lessons, humility for big-city doctors in Haiti
Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- Dr. Roberto Feliz and Dr. Hiba Georges were quickly jolted from the most modern of medical care in Boston, Massachusetts, to the most rudimentary of care when they flew to Haiti last week to work at a hospital housed in two tents run by the University of Miami.
The doctors, who worked at the Boston Medical Center, quickly learned that when you have no technology -- not even the simplest blood test -- you have to make medical decisions in an entirely different way.
The first death they witnessed taught them a valuable lesson.
The patient was a boy who needed his leg amputated or else he would die of either an infection or rhabdomyolysis, a kidney disease that follows injuries where muscles are crushed.
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Feliz, Georges and the other doctors had nowhere to take the boy. Their own hospital had yet to open its operating room, so they spent hours trying to find a hospital that could do surgeries. Their search was in vain.
Finally, the doctors decided to do the surgery themselves that night by the moonlight under a mango tree.
"We just sawed his foot off. We didn't have to use anesthesia because he was already unconscious and wasn't feeling a thing," Feliz says.
But they'd waited too long. The boy took his last breath during the surgery.
"Some of the doctors cried," Feliz says. "I told them, 'There is no crying in medicine.'"
Feliz says if there's any silver lining to practicing such rudimentary medicine, it's that it made him a more humble doctor.
"Back in Boston, I'm a hot shot. The nurses have to respect me," Feliz says. "Here, I'm just a worker bee. I cleaned the OR floor after surgery. I carried dead bodies down the street. I was in traffic carrying dead bodies. That makes you human. I came here a very fancy doctor, and I'm leaving here as a humble man."
Even in this, I see God working on people's hearts...(read that last part of that article I put in blue)
God bless
"People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson
Grand Master
I think you are absolutely right. However, I believe the humility will expand to show people how fragile our world really is. I am really glad to see so many people help these poor people. George Clooney’s fundraiser Friday night raised 60 million dollars so far, and I think this is only the start of many people offering great kindness to an otherwise hopeless situation.
Formerly moonglow
I hope so. I think in many ways alot of good is coming out of this..that we aren't 'god' that we always have control over life or death..its a real wake up call to some too like this doctor..at the same time its heartbreaking to lose people, especially children over the lack of the right medical equipment too. From what I have been hearing on the news about crush injuries, they are very difficult to treat and they cause alot of deaths because of how the body react to even just an arm or leg being crushed. That sounds horrible and is horrible..but I mean I would have thought being crushed on the arm or leg wouldn't be so life threatening, but it is. They have had to do many amputations using nothing more then saw meant for wood cutting with nothing to put the person under or any pain medications in order to get them out of someplace they are trapped or to save their life. I would think the person would die from shock having a arm or leg just cut off like that..sounds so gruesome for sure.
I am glad people around the world are understanding how horrible this is...how huge is it and donating to help them.
God bless
"People do not drift toward holiness. Apart from grace-driven effort, people do not gravitate toward godliness, prayer, obedience to Scripture, faith, and delight in the Lord. We drift toward compromise and call it tolerance; We drift toward disobedience and call it freedom; We drift toward superstition and call it faith. We cherish the indiscipline of lost self-control and call it relaxation; we slouch toward prayerlessness and delude ourselves into thinking we have escaped legalism; we slide toward godlessness and convince ourselves we have been liberated?" - D A Carson
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