Mark of the Beast: Shepherds Chapel

[blessedewing82]

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No this is right, if you have a strong's concordance you can see that trees are symbolic for people. Satan was that tree of knowledge of good and evil. Jesus Christ was that tree of life.

We all was created in our spiritual bodies at the very same time on that very same day. Adam was the very first man created in the flesh, but there was all of us in the spiritual bodies. we all (in our spiritual bodies) was in the garden when this took place.

If it had just been a fruit don't you think they would have covered their mouths instead of their naked bodies. Eve did in fact take of the fruit of satan . By taking of his fruit she produced his offspring which is Cain.

The ark, when Noah and his family was to go into the ark it does read (all flesh)

If you have a strong's concordance look up the word beast. beast is nothing more than a living creature. We are living creature of flesh! There was a male and female brought forth from each family. and of which that meant of Cain's linage as well. i believe the female was his grandaughter Naamah which was the last decendant listed in his line. From that linage there is some that was good. only few but there was.

And Lucifer was not on the mercy seat he was created to protect the mercy seat. he was to guard it (to guard Christ) until he wanted to sit upon that seat. he wanted to be christ.

And as far as the mark , yes it is not visible to others. It is in your mind not in your forehead. In your right hand, if you are doing the work for Satan you are using your hands. If you make a deal with someone what do you normally do? shake their right hand.

I hope maybe this has in some way helped you to understand things a little better. I will try to help answer any more questions you might have. god bless , tonya

[blessedewing82]

OH THIS IS SO WRONG!! WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO (JUDGE HIM). IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE BIBLE , I GUESS YOU FORGOT THE PART TAHT SAYS JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!!!

[blessedewing82]

HE WASN'T LITERALLY A SNAKE. HE WAS SLY AND WISE AND WITH HIS HISS, HE WAS AS A SERPENT.

[RabbiKnife]

Run, do not walk, from this false teaching.

[Vhayes]

OH THIS IS SO WRONG!! WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO (JUDGE HIM). IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE BIBLE , I GUESS YOU FORGOT THE PART TAHT SAYS JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!!!

Blessedwing, we are TOLD to judge those who claim the name of Christ. Those who were are told to NOT judge are unbelievers. That job belongs specifically and completely to God.

I Corinthians 5
11 - But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one.

12 - For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

13 - But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

[David Taylor]

OH THIS IS SO WRONG!! WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO (JUDGE HIM). IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE BIBLE , I GUESS YOU FORGOT THE PART TAHT SAYS JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!!!

Tonya,
Please take the time to type in mixed case, and not all upper case, that's the web-equivalent of 'shouting' and is difficult to read. Also, please when posting long posts, add paragraph breaks and don't post as one big sentence...again, very hard to read. I reformatted your original post above; use that as a guide.

Also, judging false teaching is something that we most certainly are comissioned to do from the Scriptures.

The phrase you mentioned about 'judge not lest ye be judged' is often used out of context to silence Christians from speaking the truth and correcting wrong-doctrines. That's not the intent of that verse at all.

Consider these....

Proverbs 15:31 "The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise. He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding. "

I Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. "

Proverbs 9:8 "Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. "

I Timothy 3:13 "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Proverbs 10:17 "He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth."

[Liquid Tension]

Holy old thread revival Batman!!!!!

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No this is right, if you have a strong's concordance you can see that trees are symbolic for people. Satan was that tree of knowledge of good and evil. Jesus Christ was that tree of life.

We all was created in our spiritual bodies at the very same time on that very same day. Adam was the very first man created in the flesh, but there was all of us in the spiritual bodies. we all (in our spiritual bodies) was in the garden when this took place.

If it had just been a fruit don't you think they would have covered their mouths instead of their naked bodies. Eve did in fact take of the fruit of satan . By taking of his fruit she produced his offspring which is Cain.

The ark, when Noah and his family was to go into the ark it does read (all flesh)

If you have a strong's concordance look up the word beast. beast is nothing more than a living creature. We are living creature of flesh! There was a male and female brought forth from each family. and of which that meant of Cain's linage as well. i believe the female was his grandaughter Naamah which was the last decendant listed in his line. From that linage there is some that was good. only few but there was.

And Lucifer was not on the mercy seat he was created to protect the mercy seat. he was to guard it (to guard Christ) until he wanted to sit upon that seat. he wanted to be christ.

And as far as the mark , yes it is not visible to others. It is in your mind not in your forehead. In your right hand, if you are doing the work for Satan you are using your hands. If you make a deal with someone what do you normally do? shake their right hand.

I hope maybe this has in some way helped you to understand things a little better. I will try to help answer any more questions you might have. god bless , tonya

OK, since I'm the one who started this thread, I guess I'll chime in a little. Unfortunatly, my dad still listens to this guy, although I've pointed out some things that contridict Scripture........maybe one day he'll listen and actually read the Bible himself.

So let me ask you a question. In the "Mark of the Beast" cd, Arnold Murray says that decendants of Cain survived the flood, being taken onto the ark. How do you reconcile that claim with 1 Peter 3:20 which states:

who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (NASB)

Or with 2 Peter 2:5-

and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of rightness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; (NASB)


Just wondering. Thanks

[Psalms Fan]

I used to watch his show every morning when I was a teenager. His justification is that eight "descendants of Adam" (as he'll say, "8th day creations") were in the ark, and two of each other "flesh". And he'll teach that by "flesh" it's all the animals and "all the races" that were created on the 6th day. So his teaching is that all the rest of the races of man were created on the 6th day, and the white race (Adam and Eve and their descendants) was created on the 8th day, and it was 8 of these 8th-day creations that were saved, along with 2 of everything else created on the 5th and 6th days.

[Liquid Tension]

I used to watch his show every morning when I was a teenager. His justification is that eight "descendants of Adam" (as he'll say, "8th day creations") were in the ark, and two of each other "flesh". And he'll teach that by "flesh" it's all the animals and "all the races" that were created on the 6th day. So his teaching is that all the rest of the races of man were created on the 6th day, and the white race (Adam and Eve and their descendants) was created on the 8th day, and it was 8 of these 8th-day creations that were saved, along with 2 of everything else created on the 5th and 6th days.

Man, how does he twist Scripture to fit that theory?!? It's like saying God called His creation "very good" on day 6 then on day 8 went "Oops". Amazing.

Just curious, you said that you used to watch his show as a teen, what turned you away from his teaching?

[MoreMercy]

What this man and his sons teach should be checked out scripturally before anyone commits to his teachings, I reject his teaching on cains seed but I do not totally reject His teaching on satans seed because I investigated the ref's he and his sons give when they teach that controversial teaching over the air-waves.

I have read this sort of teaching, and some teach that the way she was impreganated by satan, wasn't a "literal" thing, it was through believing his words over God's words, she was impreganated with sin and somehow she conceived and bare cain through that action....hence her belief that he was from the Lord, it was a miracle to her. At least that's what I gather from the satan seed teaching.....the likes of which I do lean towards, though am not fully convinced of.

I happen to hold a similar view as saved7 does on this particular topic alone satans seed.

I also reject the teaching of His which has not been mentioned on this thread yet of the 8th day creation, but only rejected it AFTER checking the scriptural ref's he and his sons give when they teach the 8th day creation because it is controversial.

Do they just make this stuff up out of thin air ? no ! they give scriptural ref's with each of their known controversial teachings, giving those ref's so you can go to check it out yourself as I did and will do again when he teaches something that shorts my circuits.

Do they teach from the bible ? yes ! straight from the bible they start at the beginning of one of its books and do not derail until they finish that book entirely and exhaustively, only stopping to share what else scripture says about a given topic in the current book they are teaching in.

I have heard this man say "I know this is controversial and hard for many to swallow so just put it on a shelf until you have time to study the ref's I give for yourself and do not just through it out because its strange or new to you".

Is this man and His sons scripturally literate, yes! but you would have to listen to them before you run from them to find that out.

Are he and his sons infallible ? no! neither are any of the rest of us.

And, contrary to what one post said here about this man, He does NOT deny the trinity.

Finally I will point out that there is not one recognized scholar on our planet in the past or present that is correct about everything all the time, But they all understood and confessed Christ as the son of God and that Christ is the light and truth that gives access to the Father.
Also there is not one biblical patriarch that was or is correct on all points with the exception of Christ Jesus and His Father our creator.
Moses was wrong on points.
David was wrong on points.
Solomon was wrong on points.
John the baptist was wrong on points.
Jonah was wrong on points.
Peter was wrong on points.
I wont mention names but more than one person posting here is wrong on points.
Must I go on ?

This man teaches following Christ alone for salvation, teaches who Christ is, teaches what Christ plan and purpose are and what Christ requires of us as obedient and chaste servants.
So what if He believes different from me on what Eve being wholly seduced means in the Genesis accounts of creation.
Does that mean I wont see him in heaven ? No ! his doctrine on salvation is the same doctrine that Christ and Christ apostles and learned disciples taught, so although I cannot say that he will be in heaven I can say that his teaching of what Eve being wholly seduced means in Genesis account of creation will not keep him out of heaven.

This man lead me to search scripture in the original text just as he does, but I started doing it just to verify or discount if what he says is scriptural or not and not just allow myself to be led along by any translation or version translated from the original text or by my pastor priest clerics traditions that have been spoon fed to me.

Father has used this man toward the good and growth in Fathers word of many peoples, has Father used him alone ? no ! Father uses all things toward the good of those who love and trust in Him.

Am I defending this mans teachings of cains seed line ? no !
Am I defending this mans teaching on the 8th day creation ? no !
Am I defending this mans teaching on satans seed line ? no !
Am I defending this man ? yes ! absolutely
Will I recommend anyone to watch this mans program ? no, UNLESS I know the one I recommend it to is literate in Fathers word and has grown into the likeness of His Son to a recognizable point of growth (that point of growth being discernment)

Anyone who actually has listened to this man and his sons knows better than what is writen of this man on the web links posted on this thread, I have looked at two of those links and the only thing truthful I found on them were his name, locations and his desire to keep his distance from reporters and higher critics. He has anounced publicly many times who his mentors are and they are established noted scholars.

EDIT:
Oh by the way: this mans teaching on the mark of the beast is not at all related to cain or satans seed, his teaching on the mark of the beast is as follows:
666 is used to identify the one who appears in the book of revelation at the 6th vial, and again identified at the 6th bowl, and again on the 6th seal in the book of revelation.
He teaches the mark of the beast on your hand as being your hands are doing the work of the identified antichrist, and the mark of the beast on your forehead is you are deceived by the identified antichrist and thinking the way he/the antichrist wants you to think.
He teaches that the number 666 is to identify the antichrist, and will also identify anyone who works for or thinks inline with antichrist willfully or deceived, there will be both willful and deceived followers of antichrist who receive his identifying mark.

I happen to agree with his teaching of the mark of the beast at this point in my walk following behind Christ, but have believed it even before I heard his teaching on it, maybe you should run from me too... RUN forest RUN !

[Realist1981]

I dont believe in Pre Trib Rapture, I kind of agree with his take on the mark of the beast, but a vast amount of this guy's teachings is false.
His favorite sayings "Study to show thy self approve" "Fase teachers are wolves in sheep's clothings" can be applied to himself. He mixes truth with falsehood. I don't think he does it intentially. I listened to his bible studies for 6 months straight when I was 18 every morning at 5:30 AM. I liked it because he went verse by verse throughout the whole bible picking up where he left off the next day.

However, when he reads the scripture he tends to put his own spin on everything. Everything comes back to the Kenites somehow regardless of the actual context. And he always finds a way to poke at Pre Trib believers during each broadcast.

My advice would be to do your best Chris Johnson inpersonation and run as fast as you can away from this "Wolf" in sheep's clothing

[JesusMySavior]

Shepherd's Chapel is unbiblical in most everything they teach.

I used to watch them back in 8th grade on TV but after I started reading my Bible I realized how flawed that guy's theories really are.

I'd advise your dad to crack that CD in half and chuck it to the nearest garbage dump.

[Liquid Tension]

Shepherd's Chapel is unbiblical in most everything they teach.

I used to watch them back in 8th grade on TV but after I started reading my Bible I realized how flawed that guy's theories really are.

I'd advise your dad to crack that CD in half and chuck it to the nearest garbage dump.

I think this was directed to me. I agree. Basically, I've told him to read the Bible himself and compare what it says to what Murray says. I've pointed out a few things that he teaches which contradict the Bible, but he tends to say "There's a deeper meaning". So, I just keep praying.

[MoreMercy]

After posting on this thread a few days ago, some mysterious thing in me started bringing more and more remembrances of other in my opinion incorrect teachings of this man that I did not mention on my earlier post on this thread, and it has compiled into a larger and larger pile as those few days have passed.
So today I have decided to return to this thread and repent of my former post on this thread and post an updated opinion of mine:
I would not recommend anyone waste one minute of their time listening to this man or either of his sons IF your intent is to learn from Fathers word through this man or either of his sons or any of their confessing disciples.


Excuse me, and peace to you all.

[MoreMercy]

After posting on this thread a few days ago, some mysterious thing in me started bringing more and more remembrances of other in my opinion incorrect teachings of this man that I did not mention on my earlier post on this thread, and it has compiled into a larger and larger pile as those few days have passed.
So today I have decided to return to this thread and repent of my former post on this thread and post an updated opinion of mine:
I would not recommend anyone waste one minute of their time listening to this man or either of his sons IF your intent is to learn from Fathers word through this man or either of his sons or any of their confessing disciples.


Excuse me, and peace to you all.

But, That being said.
Now as to the quasi topic of this thread:
I do beleive the mark of the beast 666, is the same as this man: Pastor Arnold Murray beleives:
This mans teaching on the mark of the beast is not at all related to Cain or Satan seed, his teaching on the mark of the beast is as follows:
666 is used to identify the one who appears in the book of revelation at the 6th vial, and again identified at the 6th bowl, and again on the 6th seal in the book of revelation.
He teaches the mark of the beast on your hand as being your hands are doing the work of the identified antichrist, and the mark of the beast on your forehead is you are deceived by the identified antichrist and thinking the way he/the antichrist wants you to think.
He teaches that the number 666 is to identify the antichrist, and will also identify anyone who works for or thinks inline with antichrist willfully or deceived, there will be both willful and deceived followers of antichrist who receive his identifying mark.

I happen to agree with his teaching of the mark of the beast at this point in my walk following behind Christ, but have believed it even before I heard his teaching on it
But again: I would not recommend anyone waste one minute of their time listening to this man or either of his sons IF your intent is to learn from Fathers word through this man or either of his sons or any of their confessing disciples.