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    What kind of works are there?

    The bible speaks of different kinds of works.

    What are they and what do they mean to us?
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    Can you give some examples? I am not sure of the jist of your post.
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    Some examples would be:

    Ordinary works
    Num 29:35
    “‘On the eighth day you are to have a holy assembly; you must do no ordinary work on it.

    Committed works
    Pro 16:3
    Commit your works to the Lord, and your plans will be established.

    Works that do not justify
    Rom 3:20
    because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

    Works that justify
    Jam 2:24
    You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

    The work of the law
    Rom 2:15
    They show that the work of the law is written in their hearts, as their conscience bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or else defend them,

    Good works
    Rom 2:6-8 He will reward each one according to his works: eternal life to those who by perseverance in good works seek glory and honor and immortality, but wrath and anger to those who live in selfish ambition and do not obey the truth but follow unrighteousness.

    Any others?
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    The Numbers passage that you quoted refers to physicall labor, I believe. God is saying that on the Sabbath, we are to rest from our work.

    The phrase "committed works" do not really describe a kind of work so much as what we do with them. As Christians, all of our works are to be committed to Christ, for "we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works" (Eph. 2:10).

    Works of the law constitute our obedience to the regulations set forth in the law. It is not by these works that we shall be justified, but by the works we do in the Spirit. These are the good works that are discussed in Rom. 2:6-8.

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    I am assuming works are just that, works and that everything else would be a type or qualifier regarding the works.

    So I suspect committed works and uncommitted works are types, kinds or qualifiers regarding works.
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    That's a good way to look at it

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    Even from your list I see three types of works.

    1. Works of man done with no regard for God. (in unbelief/vain)

    2. Works done for God in order to merit His favor. (sellf righteous)

    3. Works done from a thankful heart, because of what He has done and Who He is, that serve God joyfully. (in faith)
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossnote View Post
    Even from your list I see three types of works.

    1. Works of man done with no regard for God. (in unbelief/vain)

    2. Works done for God in order to merit His favor. (sellf righteous)

    3. Works done from a thankful heart, because of what He has done and Who He is, that serve God joyfully. (in faith)
    In which verses to you find which ones?
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    1.Num 29:35 Rom 2:15
    2.Rom 3:20
    3. Pro 16:3, Jam 2:24

    Now Rom 2:6-8 belong to #2 becauseas you will see later in Romans that none are righteous enough to merit eternal life but all have sinned.
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    You might want to take a closer look at romans 2:15 and its context
    It also has some some powerful OT parallels relating to the work of God through Christ Jesus.
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    Not sure if this is inline with the conversation or not.

    Some of the works we are expected to do:
    Lay down our lives for our brethren 1 John 3:16
    To build one another up Eph. 4:29, Rom 14:19; 15:2; 1 Cor. 14:26; 1 Thes. 5:11
    Do good to all men, especially the house hold of faith Gal. 6:10
    Preach the Word Rom. 10:8; 2 Tim 4:2

    We "work" out our own salvation, also pictured as, building on Jesus and the Apostles as the foundation, Paul calls it running a race, or building on the sure foundation (not wood, hay, stubble)
    We study 2 Tim.2:15; Eph.5:10,
    diligently seek Heb. 11:6,
    we strive Luke 13:24; 2 Tim. 2:5,
    We fight 1 Tim 6:12,
    we grow 2 Pet 1:5; Eph. 4:15; 1 Pet. 2:2; 2 Pet. 3:18
    we sacrifice Rom. 12:1; Phil 2:17; 4:18; Heb. 13:15; 1 Pet. 2:5, 20

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    One of the first Bible passages that I memorized as a young Christian was Ephesians 2:8-9 in the King James Version,

    8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    I heard and read this passage being quoted very many times and frequently quoted it myself when witnessing to non-Christians. I thought that I understood it just fine until I began studying the Apostle Paul, his missionary journeys, the messages that he preached, and his epistles.* Then I became more and more familiar with Paul and his goals and objectives as the Apostle to the Gentiles and the obstacles that he encountered and dealt with.

    Circumcision was a very important part of the Old Testament covenant of Law that in the Jewish mind separated Jews from Gentiles. The earliest Christians were all Jews and Christianity was understood by them to be a sect of Judaism. Therefore it was very difficult for them to accept the idea that an uncircumcised Gentile could be a Christian no matter how much he believed in Jesus. Explaining this mystery to both the Jews and Gentiles was one of Paul’s major goals and objectives, and hence a major theme in his Epistles to the Romans, the Galatians, and the Ephesians.

    When Paul wrote of “works” that he contrasted with grace and faith, he was always referring to the works of the Law, that is, the Old Testament covenant of Law as opposed to the New Testament covenant of grace:

    Gal. 2:16. nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

    Gal. 3:2. This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
    3. Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
    4. Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
    5. So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

    Gal. 3:9. So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.
    10. For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM."

    Rom. 3:27. Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
    28. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

    And compare the following:

    Gal. 2:21. "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

    Gal. 5:4. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

    Gal. 5:11. But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished.

    Gal. 6:12. Those who desire to make a good showing in the flesh try to compel you to be circumcised, simply so that they will not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.
    13. For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh.
    14. But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
    15. For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

    Rom. 9:30. What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;
    31. but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.
    32. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,
    33. just as it is written, "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

    Therefore, the “works” that he wrote of in Eph. 2:9 were not the “good works” that Jesus taught some individuals must perform to be justified and saved (Matt. 16:27, 25:34-46; Mark 10:17-30; Luke 10:25-37; John 5:28-29) or the good works that James taught one must perform to be justified and saved (James 2:14-26) or the good works that we read of in the faith chapter in the New Testament (Heb. 11), but works of the Law and circumcision in particular.

    James, in his epistle, approached the matter from a very different perspective; that is, he vigorously taught that works are essential for ones justification and salvation, but he was not writing of circumcision or any other work of the Law, but exclusively the good works that Jesus commands us to perform.

    When we carefully read Eph. 2:8-9 in the context of 8-16 (see below), we see (especially in verse 11, but also in the context), that Paul is explaining to the Christians in Ephesus that a Gentile could become a Christian without keeping the Law, specifically without being circumcised.

    Ephesians 2:8. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
    9. not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
    10. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
    11. Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so- called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands--
    12. remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
    13. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
    14. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
    15. by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,
    16. and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

    When Eph. 2:8-9 is read apart from both the literary and historical context in which it was originally written, it can appear to teach precisely the opposite of what Jesus and James taught—a doctrine that was entirely foreign to the teaching of Paul and a doctrine that has nothing at all to do with Paul’s goal and objective of explaining to both the Jews and Gentiles the mystery that a Gentile could become a Christian without keeping the Law, specifically without being circumcised. (Paul used the word “circumcision”—in our English translations—30 times in 26 verses, and the word “circumcised” 11 times in 9 verses).

    We read in the New Testament that both the grace by which we are saved and the faith through which we are saved are gifts from God,** but in order to be saved, we must allow both the grace and the faith to work in our lives.

    The grace of God is the dynamic action of God by and through which He saves us from sin and its consequences through faith. It is grace because the action is wholly voluntary and without any obligation on the part of God, and is freely given to us through the faith that He also gives to us. An integral part of that faith is our volitional obedience to Christ as we yield to the power of the Holy Spirit working in our lives. That obedience includes the performance of the good works that He commands us to perform.

    (All Scripture quotations are from the NASB, 1995, unless otherwise noted)

    *Although many scholars today believe that Paul did not write the Epistle to the Ephesians, I believe that he did.

    **The Greek pronoun τουτο translated “that” in Eph. 2:8 is neuter in gender and the Greek noun translated “faith” in the same verse is feminine in gender and some commentators have argued that the pronoun, therefore, cannot refer to faith but must refer to the process of salvation (the Greek noun for “salvation” is also feminine). This argument is without merit, however, because και τουτο is an idiomatic expression and the gender of the pronoun is consequently insignificant. The Church Fathers (Chrysostom, Theodoret, and Jerome in particular) interpreted the pronoun as referring to faith and so have many scholars and commentators including Erasmus, Beza, Crocius, Cocceius, Grotius, Estius, Bengel, Meier, Baumgarten-Crusius, Bisiping, and Hodge. More recent scholars and commentators acknowledge that the pronoun may refer to the noun “grace,” the verb “saved,” the noun “faith,” or the process of salvation by grace. See especially the two-volume commentary on Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians by Marcus S. Barth and the 494 page commentary on Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians by Andrew T. Lincoln.

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    I othen refer to these verses toward our works.

    10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

    12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,[ concerning our works] that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

    14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

    15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever
    Now it is by that Comforter that we are given the power to do greater works than Jesus. If we look at Jesus works we then relies what works we should do. And these signs shall follow them that believe.

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