Saving faith

***Firefighter*** · Feb 9th 2010, 05:38 PM

Freek, with all due respect Jesus Christ is NOT fire insurance.

**notuptome** · Feb 9th 2010, 05:44 PM

Saving faith is the faith that comes from hearing and hearing Gods word. Rom 10:17 We learn of God's grace through His word. Our trust in what God has said He will do in the matter of salvation is how we receive the gift of eternal life.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

**Freek** · Feb 9th 2010, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Urban Missionary

Freek, with all due respect Jesus Christ is NOT fire insurance.

He is that and many other things, things so wonderful that the modern church does not believe it all. Taking out the fire insurance is only the first step, but let's stop there.

What other reason is there for accepting Jesus?

***Firefighter*** · Feb 9th 2010, 06:50 PM

Here I thought all this time that it was the goodness of God that led a man unto repentance... my bad.

**Freek** · Feb 9th 2010, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Urban Missionary

Here I thought all this time that it was the goodness of God that led a man unto repentance... my bad.

I'm not sure what you mean???

***Firefighter*** · Feb 9th 2010, 07:53 PM

We should serve God because of who He is, not what he can do for us. Escaping hell and getting to heaven are ancillary issues. If we focus on "fire insurance" we make salvation about us, not Him.

**Freek** · Feb 9th 2010, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Urban Missionary

We should serve God because of who He is, not what he can do for us. Escaping hell and getting to heaven are ancillary issues. If we focus on "fire insurance" we make salvation about us, not Him.

Well that is exactly what I did not do. Was it wrong? Why should I not have been concerned because of what He can do for me and through me??

**notuptome** · Feb 9th 2010, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Urban Missionary

We should serve God because of who He is, not what he can do for us. Escaping hell and getting to heaven are ancillary issues. If we focus on "fire insurance" we make salvation about us, not Him.

The Holy Spirit brings conviction of sin. The Holy Spirit brings conviction of the righteousness of Christ. The Holy Spirit brings conviction of the judgment of sin. This is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to enlighten man that as a sinner he is headed to hell. That Jesus Christ died to save men from their sin. Gods judgment of sin is certain. If these things do not cause a man to flee from hell and cleave unto the Lord what pray tell will?

You must be convinced that you are lost before you can see the need to be saved. In that respect it is about us. For us He died on the cross.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

**notuptome** · Feb 9th 2010, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Freek

Well that is exactly what I did not do. Was it wrong?

If you got saved how could it be wrong?

Why should I not have been concerned because of what He can do for me and through me??

How can you be expected to know that which you have not been taught? Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost. Jesus sought you and saved you how can that be wrong?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

**Sirus** · Feb 10th 2010, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by IsItLove?

Yet faith is something that requires perfecting.
From faith to faith

It is a process, that in the end hopefully consumes us completely.

Well, Romans 1:17 doesn't mean that and our faith is tried but it does not mature (perfected). It is absolutely completed (perfected -same word used for the resurrection) by works, but where might I find a progressive faith in scripture?

**IsItLove?** · Feb 10th 2010, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Sirus

Well, Romans 1:17 doesn't mean that and our faith is tried but it does not mature (perfected). It is absolutely completed (perfected -same word used for the resurrection) by works, but where might I find a progressive faith in scripture?

Not sure what you are trying to say.

Progressive faith you will find in James.
Justified by the works of faith like Abraham and having your faith perfected by the works of faith.

We see some with little faith, some full of faith, some with belief and unbelief at the same time, others who had great faith so as to walk in the miraculous and doubt the in middle of the miracle, we see God giving each man a measure of faith, and people asking to have their faith increased.
Mar 9:24 Mat 8:26 Mat 14:31 Acts 6:5 Rom 12:3 Luke 17:5

**Sirus** · Feb 10th 2010, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by IsItLove?

Not sure what you are trying to say.

Progressive faith you will find in James.
Justified by the works of faith like Abraham and having your faith perfected by the works of faith.

That's what I was referring to here
faith
"is absolutely completed (perfected -same word used for the resurrection) by works"
That's not progressive faith.
That's faith, action= perfect faith
as opposed to
fatih, ............................still imperfect............................still imperfect............................still imperfect............................still imperfect........................

Originally Posted by IsItLove?

We see some with little faith, some full of faith, some with belief and unbelief at the same time, others who had great faith so as to walk in the miraculous and doubt the in middle of the miracle, we see God giving each man a measure of faith, and people asking to have their faith increased.
Mar 9:24 Mat 8:26 Mat 14:31 Acts 6:5 Rom 12:3 Luke 17:5

these are all just the same faith. It's not a weak faith vs a strong faith. Little is not weak here. A lot is not strong. That was Jesus' point. Little is not weak. It's still the same faith.

**IsItLove?** · Feb 10th 2010, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Sirus

That's what I was referring to here
faith
"is absolutely completed (perfected -same word used for the resurrection) by works"
That's not progressive faith.
That's faith, action= perfect faith
as opposed to
fatih, ............................still imperfect............................still imperfect............................still imperfect............................still imperfect........................

these are all just the same faith. It's not a weak faith vs a strong faith. Little is not weak here. A lot is not strong. That was Jesus' point. Little is not weak. It's still the same faith.

Cant agree, week and little are just that and it was great faith in action that resulted in Abraham being considered righteous.
Abraham acted in faith in many other situations but is was the faith that required his everything, trusting his all in this life, that resulted in God's statement about him.

Every act of faith in God, is faith in God, no doubt.
But faith is seen in the life of the seed that sprang up, but later died because it had no depth to it's root.
Some teach the faith of the size of the mustard seed, rather then the faith of such a little seed to become such a large plant.

What is required to be Jesus disciple?
Is it just a little commitment of faith in Him or a commitment of faith that supersedes everything and everyone else in this world?

**Sirus** · Feb 10th 2010, 06:42 AM

I'm not speaking of incredulous (lacking confidence) faith, which is no faith at all. I am speaking of faith like a mustard seed. Little is some, as in, it (faith) is present. You cannot disagree....
unless you want to deny the words of the Lord. I was wrong to let you slip the word little in there, then to turn around and use it myself.

**IsItLove?** · Feb 10th 2010, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sirus

I'm not speaking of incredulous (lacking confidence) faith, which is no faith at all. I am speaking of faith like a mustard seed. Little is some, as in, it (faith) is present. You cannot disagree....
unless you want to deny the words of the Lord. I was wrong to let you slip the word little in there, then to turn around and use it myself.

First you are not clear in what you are saying.
Second, I did not slip anything in, little faith is what the bible says many times over.

Third, I may deny your understanding, but without the words of the Lord Jesus in question being identified how can anyone respond to your thoughts.
Are you referring to NASB ©
biblegateway Luk 17:6
And the Lord said, "If you had faith like (note size of is a poor translation) a mustard seed, you would say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and be planted in the sea’; and it would obey you.
Mark 4 The Parable of the Mustard Seed (faith to go from the smallest to being the greatest)
4:30 He also asked, “To what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable can we use to present it? 4:31 It is like a mustard seed that when sown in the ground, even though it is the smallest of all the seeds in the ground – 4:32 when it is sown, it grows up, becomes the greatest of all garden plants, and grows large branches so that the wild birds can nest in its shade.

Lastly you never bothered to respond to my questions, and one sided conversations are not very productive.