I think that the Stormers will win the Super 14 this year. This thread is now shot, so we might as well discuss sports.
Joshua. I think some Christians would embrace Him, others would persecute Him but I do not think He would teach any different than He already Has.
2Co 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
2Pe 2:1-22 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
I can't say that about them all, but I think it possible a few were. Gnostics are considered heretics, right? Yep. Others were seriously wrong in many important areas and their teachings continue to plague the church even to this day.
Well how long is your list? Really, this is getting silly.
"some were taught by the apostles"
"Peter appointed one of them personally as bishop"
Peter was infallible? eh?
Looks like you really only possibly have 2 or 3 out of what? about 20?
So if you are going to site a few, do so, but don't make general statements about men as a group called the early church fathers and expect those that know better to generally agree with the group because 17 or 18 make the few look really really bad when you do that.
See, I wouldn't lump a few good in with the bad, so I wouldn't have a group to generalize with.
I made no mention of modern commentators.
They were dead wrong on baptism -IF they implied water, which is not in some of their writings. It's assumed just as it is in Romans 6 today.
Communion is cloudy at best.
I do not hold to a heavenly destiny and much truth is in the doctrine of the two kingdoms.
Pacifism is good. Don't need any more crusades. (koG is not physical -occupy til I come- not physical)
Faith alone was not foreign to them, they just had a proper understanding that faith had substance and evidence that proves faith. Faith, works, justified.
The kingdom of God is not physical to us now, though the risen Savior was and the kingdom will be. The kingdom of heaven is physical, here, and now.
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