Covenant between God the Father and Jesus?

[Esperanza32]

I'm in a Bible study / discipleship program at my church called Christ Life (not sure if anyone here has heard of it). Right now we're learning about the importance of the blood covenant throughout the Bible. Definitely good stuff.

My question is this -- the study book for this course says that the first blood covenant God made was way back before creation, between God the Father and Jesus (with the Holy Spirit as witness). Is that true??? I can't find anything in the Bible that actually says that directly or indirectly.

From my own study of the word "covenant", it looks like the first covenant that was directly called a covenant in the Bible was between God and Noah. There's also a passage in Hosea that implies that there was a covenant between God and Adam (that Adam broke). Then there are covenants with Abraham, Moses, and David.

But does the Bible ever say or imply that God the Father first made a covenant with Jesus? What would the terms of such a covenant be? I just want to understand. I try to be very careful of books and people that say "the Bible says this" when the Bible doesn't actually say it. I think that's dangerous ground.

Thanks!

[blessedmommyuv3]

The Covenant between God and Jesus was the Covenant of Redemption.

Psalm 110
Yahweh (the LORD) says to Adonai (my Lord). (God to Jesus)

link to Psalm 110 in its entirety:
http://nasb.scripturetext.com/psalms/110.htm

Isaiah 53:
10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11After the suffering of his soul,
he will see the light [of life] and be satisfied;
by his knowledgef my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

Revelations 5:
9And they sang a new song:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased men for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
11Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12In a loud voice they sang:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
13Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”

Philippians 2:
5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.


In Christ,
Jen

[Butch5]

I can't find anything in the Bible that actually says that directly or indirectly.

That's your answer my friend. Anyting else is just specualtion.

[markedward]

The Covenant between God and Jesus was the Covenant of Redemption.

Where's this "covenant" actually mentioned in any of the passages you cited?

[Equipped_4_Love]

The only thing I can think of is the covenant in Gen. 15:12-17, where the torch and the burning oven passed through the animal carcasses. Abraham didn't take an active part in this covenant-- he was witness to it, but even so, he was included. Wasn't this covenant between the Father and the Son?

[BroRog]

The only thing I can think of is the covenant in Gen. 15:12-17, where the torch and the burning oven passed through the animal carcasses. Abraham didn't take an active part in this covenant-- he was witness to it, but even so, he was included. Wasn't this covenant between the Father and the Son?

No, this was a covenant between God and Abraham. The fact that Abraham didn't walk between the cuttings indicated that the covenant had no contingency.

[Steven3]

Christ had one covenant with God in that he was circumcised on the 8th Day... Genesis 17:10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

But apart from that, NT refs are to Christ as mediator of a new covenant. Hebrews 8:6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. etc.

[blessedmommyuv3]

The verses which I posted above illustrate the Covenant of Redemption.
God, the Father, and God, the Son, covenanted together for the redemption of the human race.
God appointed Jesus to be the mediator( the Second Adam) whose life would be given for the salvation of the world, and Jesus , promised to do the work which the Father had given him to do and fulfill all righteousness by obeying the law of God. Before the foundation of the world, it was determined that creation would not be destroyed by sin, but that rebellion and iniquity would be overcome by God's grace, that Christ would become the new head of humanity, the Savior of the world, and that God would be glorified. As Jesus glorified God as the propitiation for our sins, He was glorified by God, resurrected and seated at the right hand of God.

In Christ,
Jen

[Firefighter]

Biblical covenants in order...

Edenic (Gen. 1:26-31;2:16-17), Adamic (Gen. 3:16-19), Noahic (Gen 9:1-18), Abrahamic (Gen. 12:1-4;13:14-17; 15:1-7; 17:1-8), Mosaic (Ex. 20:1 - 31:18), Land (Deut. 30:1-10), Davidic (2Sam. 7:4-16; 1Chron. 17:3-15) and of course the New Covenant.

I don't know if there are any others. If there are, someone point them out to me.

[Freek]

The verses which I posted above illustrate the Covenant of Redemption.
God, the Father, and God, the Son, covenanted together for the redemption of the human race.
God appointed Jesus to be the mediator( the Second Adam) whose life would be given for the salvation of the world, and Jesus , promised to do the work which the Father had given him to do and fulfill all righteousness by obeying the law of God. Before the foundation of the world, it was determined that creation would not be destroyed by sin, but that rebellion and iniquity would be overcome by God's grace, that Christ would become the new head of humanity, the Savior of the world, and that God would be glorified. As Jesus glorified God as the propitiation for our sins, He was glorified by God, resurrected and seated at the right hand of God.

In Christ,
Jen

Jesus was the last Adam and the second man, meaning that there will not be another Adam, but many other men - and women - after the second man...and...

[blessedmommyuv3]

Biblical covenants in order...

Edenic (Gen. 1:26-31;2:16-17), Adamic (Gen. 3:16-19), Noahic (Gen 9:1-18), Abrahamic (Gen. 12:1-4;13:14-17; 15:1-7; 17:1-8), Mosaic (Ex. 20:1 - 31:18), Land (Deut. 30:1-10), Davidic (2Sam. 7:4-16; 1Chron. 17:3-15) and of course the New Covenant.

I don't know if there are any others. If there are, someone point them out to me.

You missed the Covenant of Redemption. See above

Jen

[markedward]

You cited a number of passages, but I couldn't find anything in any of them that said that the Father and the Son made a covenant with each other.

[blessedmommyuv3]

Jesus was the last Adam and the second man, meaning that there will not be another Adam, but many other men - and women - after the second man...and...

I'm so sorry, but I don't understand what you are saying.

In Christ,
Jen

[blessedmommyuv3]

You cited a number of passages, but I couldn't find anything in any of them that said that the Father and the Son made a covenant with each other.

In post #8 I explained according to Covenant Theology what the Covenant of Redemption is.
The bible passages I posted illustrate this.

In Christ,
Jen

[markedward]

I have read this, but I can't find your explanation given in any of the passages, let alone that it is called a "covenant". I merely see God (Father, Son, Spirit) acting in accord to his own will, carrying his predetermined plan out to fruition. I don't see where any of the passages you provided actually depict it as a "covenant" between the Father and the Son. If it was defined as a covenant, would it not simply be the "New Covenant"?