Christ Riding on Horse

[DeafPosttrib]

I would like to open thread discuss about Christ riding on a white horse of Revelation chapter 19. The reason is, many pretribs, and even also pre-wraths saying there are two phases of Second Coming in the Bible. Whilst they saying 1 Thess 4:15-18 speak of Christ shall descend from the clouds, with no mentioned of ride on a horse. Therefore, they saying there is difference between 1 Thess. 4:15-18 and Rev 19:11-16. They say, 1 Thess. 4:15-18 is pretrib coming, Rev. 19:11-16 is posttrib coming.

I respect their intepreting.

What about Matt. 24:29-31? All pretribs are easily saying of Matt. 24:29-31 described of Second Coming is posttrib. I agree with them. Why doesn't a white horse being describe in passage of Matt. 24:29-31? Does that mean, ride on a white horse is being exclude from Matt. 24:29-31???

Rev. 19:11-16 is the ONLY passage that descibed ride on horse in the Bible.

There are many passages in the Bible speaking on Second Coming, while all these of passages do not mentioned of ride a horse.

I have good thoughts of Rev. 6:1-8 of the four horses. Do these are literal? Of course not. These are symbol meanings.

So, therefore, I consider of Rev. 19:11-16 of riding on a white thorse is symbol.

I ask all of you posttribs, I would like to hear your comment on Rev. 19:11-16, what does it mean to you? Thanks.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

[theBelovedDisciple]

I would like to open thread discuss about Christ riding on a white horse of Revelation chapter 19. The reason is, many pretribs, and even also pre-wraths saying there are two phases of Second Coming in the Bible. Whilst they saying 1 Thess 4:15-18 speak of Christ shall descend from the clouds, with no mentioned of ride on a horse. Therefore, they saying there is difference between 1 Thess. 4:15-18 and Rev 19:11-16. They say, 1 Thess. 4:15-18 is pretrib coming, Rev. 19:11-16 is posttrib coming.

I respect their intepreting.

What about Matt. 24:29-31? All pretribs are easily saying of Matt. 24:29-31 described of Second Coming is posttrib. I agree with them. Why doesn't a white horse being describe in passage of Matt. 24:29-31? Does that mean, ride on a white horse is being exclude from Matt. 24:29-31???

Rev. 19:11-16 is the ONLY passage that descibed ride on horse in the Bible.

There are many passages in the Bible speaking on Second Coming, while all these of passages do not mentioned of ride a horse.

I have good thoughts of Rev. 6:1-8 of the four horses. Do these are literal? Of course not. These are symbol meanings.

So, therefore, I consider of Rev. 19:11-16 of riding on a white thorse is symbol.

I ask all of you posttribs, I would like to hear your comment on Rev. 19:11-16, what does it mean to you? Thanks.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

Jesus Riding on a White Horse when He Returns in Revelation 19...

is not symbolic.. but will be REAL...

as real as the 5 fingers on your hand that you type your posts with...

[DeafPosttrib]

TheBelovedDisciple,

You believe, Christ shall ride on a white horse of Revelation 19 will be real.

Ok, I ask you question, are the four horses of Rev. 6:1-8 - all real?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

[DeafPosttrib]

Both pretribs and posttribs agree Revelation 19:11-16 is clearly speak of second advent. Whilst none of the context of Rev. 19:11-21 mentioned of angels. Do this mean that angels are being excluded from Rev. 19:11-121?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

[wesand24]

There is no need to think that because one second coming passage differs from another one that they are talking about different events! Christ is coming back once with the clouds, at the sound of a trumpet, on a white horse, with the armies of heaven, and the the angels of heaven will be involved in the gathereing of the elect together to meet the Lord in the air. And I do believe the Four horses do in fact represent four real horses with real riders.

[Rick Schworer]

You know, it could very well be symbolic. I believe the sword coming out of His mouth is symbolic, so why not the horse?

It's much cooler if He's on a horse though, so I will continue to believe it's literal. :-)

[kay-gee]

Be even cooler to come back in a jet fighter. I am sure, that in heaven they are keeping pace with technology also.

all the best...

[shenlsey]

The first time Jesus rode an animal into Jerusalem, He came on a donkey. In that context of time and culture when a king rode into a city on a donkey he was coming in peace. (Jesus = Prince of Peace) When a king rode into a city on a horse (an animal of war) it was indicative of coming to conquer the city! Next time Jesus comes to Jerusalem riding on the horse as described in Revelation, He is coming as a conquering "King of Kings" and "Lord of Lords"! The donkey is symbolic of peace and the horse is symbolic of war.

[quiet dove]

Christ is not the only one said to be riding a horse in Rev 19 ....just thought I would toss that in.

good to see ya again DPt

[markedward]

I think that John's vision is doing two things in chapter 19.

One, he's making an obvious reference back to the first seal. There are three attributes of the rider of the white horse that are used throughout the Revelation. Some disagree on the exact meaning, but I think the context is consistent for each of these. The color white, outside of the first seal, is always used for the righteous victor; it is not once applied to anyone wicked. The stephanos crown that the rider is given, outside of the first seal, is always worn for the righteous victor; it is not once applied to anyone wicked. And the action of 'conquering' is used more frequently of the righteous (the seven churches are told to 'conquer', Jesus 'conquered' as the Lion, the saints 'conquered' by the blood of the Lamb, the 144,000 'conquered' the beast, the Lamb 'conquers' because he is King and Lord, etc.), compared to just a couple verses where the beast 'conquers' (and we might say John is only saying the beast 'conquers' because he is echoing the language of Daniel 7). The going out of the white horse represents something righteous, something for which God is giving the reward for victory in advance. Because of the parallels between Revelation 6 and the Olivet Discourse, I'm inclined to see this as the victory of Jesus through the Gospel, or of Jesus through the Church, or something along those lines. Even the way the rider of the white horse in chapter 19 is presented in a three-point introduction like the rider of the white horse in chapter 6:

'And I looked, and behold, a white horse!
And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him,
and he came out conquering, and to conquer.'

as compared to

'Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse!
The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True,
and in righteousness he judges and makes war.'

So I would say, the charging of the white horses in Revelation 19, led by the Lord Jesus, is signifying the same thing as the white horse from chapter 6: the victory of the Gospel of the Kingdom (the two-edged sword that comes from his mouth, the word of God).

Two, the overall picture we find in Revelation 19 has less in common with 'second coming' texts of the New Testament, and more in common with 'divine conqueror' texts of the Old Testament. Passages like 2 Samuel 22, where God rides out from heaven on his cherubim-chariot, wrapped in dark clouds, stringing his bow with bolts of lightning, which he uses to destroy... King Saul, when he committed suicide while surrounded by Philistines. Or Isaiah 19, where God rides upon a cloud, flying across the earth toward Egypt, striking terror so deep into his enemies that even the inanimate idols tremble in fear... as the Assyrian armies march under the leadership of Sargon. Or Ezekiel 1-3, where God breaks through a bright cloud, seated upon his cherubim-throne, burning with fire... to announce the fall of Jerusalem to Nebuchadnezzer's Babylon.

John isn't describing the second coming of Jesus, he's describing the conquest of the enemies of the Kingdom through the Gospel. Specifically, the fall of the Roman Empire (the beast) and the Caesar cult (the false prophet).

[Nihil Obstat]

This thread is over two years old...

[markedward]

Hey, the Revelation is almost two-thousand years old.

[Nihil Obstat]

Heh heh, true, true. I ought to have referenced quiet dove welcoming back DeafPosttrib, as that was what I was responding to. I haven't read your response yet.

[Nihil Obstat]

Definitely agree with your second point.

[quiet dove]

This thread is over two years old...

I didn't even notice the date....thanks.. and I will classify as a "duh" moment...