Pauls Conversion?

[Beckrl]

With the understanding that under the law Jew and gentile did not mix, if Paul was still in the law was he not being commanded to break the law by being sent to the gentiles by God?

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Under what Jewish law that Jews and Gentiles did not mix? Jesus came to fulfill the law not to do away with it, now understand that the Pharisees had made man's laws, for example Jesus told them that it's not what goes into the mouth that defile the body, but what comes out of the mouth, for they asked about his disciples not washing their hands before meals an law that they have maded.

The law was given to the Jewish nation, but Christ came unto all the world, not only the Jews. All the while to the Jews first, but then to the Gentiles.

[BroRog]

Because there came those that came in to see what Paul was doing and why he was not teaching obedience to the law as they were.

Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

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Jesus said that those who sin are slaves to sin. How can it also be said that those who obey are slaves?

[notuptome]

The law was given to the Jewish nation, but Christ came unto all the world, not only the Jews. All the while to the Jews first, but then to the Gentiles.

Jesus came to His own but He was rejected. John 1:11 Jesus did not receive the Greeks who came to see Him in John 12:22 Jesus was sent by the Father to Israel and not to all the world. The blessing the church now enjoys was sent to the Jews. The church now enjoys it because the Jews refused it. Instead of the gentile church preaching Christ it should be the Jewish church preaching Christ to the rest of the world. In Israel the rest of the world is blessed but the promises belong to Israel and they will be hers when she gets right with God. Paul writes in Rom 11:15 Israel is cast away for now but what shall the receiveing of them be?

As you have said to the Jew first then to the gentile.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[markedward]

The law of Moses is the ministration of death.

Only in that the Law condemns a sinner to death.

[Firstfruits]

Under what Jewish law that Jews and Gentiles did not mix? Jesus came to fulfill the law not to do away with it, now understand that the Pharisees had made man's laws, for example Jesus told them that it's not what goes into the mouth that defile the body, but what comes out of the mouth, for they asked about his disciples not washing their hands before meals an law that they have maded.

The law was given to the Jewish nation, but Christ came unto all the world, not only the Jews. All the while to the Jews first, but then to the Gentiles.

With regards to the following Paul was commanded to go to the gentiles, but he did not give them the law.

Jn 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Mt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded Them, saying, Go not into The way of The Gentiles, and into any city of The Samaritans enter ye not:

Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

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[Firstfruits]

Jesus said that those who sin are slaves to sin. How can it also be said that those who obey are slaves?

But Pauls message to the gentiles was not obedience to the law.

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[Firstfruits]

Only in that the Law condemns a sinner to death.

The difference is that the spirit gives life but the law condemns as you have said.

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[BroRog]

But Pauls message to the gentiles was not obedience to the law.

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Did it rule out obedience to the law?

[Firstfruits]

Did it rule out obedience to the law?

This is what Paul said when asked concerning the law of Moses.

Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

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[Firstfruits]

Pauls message, whether to Jew or gentile was the message that he preached to the gentiles, so what then did Paul say that he preached?

What was Pauls message?

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

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[BroRog]

Pauls message, whether to Jew or gentile was the message that he preached to the gentiles, so what then did Paul say that he preached?

I disagree. Paul messages were given into a historical and culteral context and in order for us to evaluate his message, we need to read his message in light of those circumstances, otherwise we will be tempted to make the passage say whatever we want to hear. I'm not saying that is what you are doing. But that is the danger.

[theBelovedDisciple]

With regards to the following scriptures, can the following questions be answered?

Acts 9:1-18

Acts 26:15-23

1. What was Paul converted from?

2. What was Paul converted to?

3. What was Paul converted to do?

4. Did Paul do what he was converted to do?

God bless you!

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1. What was Paul converted from? Judiasm, a staunch follower, blameless, according to the flesh...

2. What was Paul converted to? being a follower of Jesus the Christ, a Chrisitan according to the name given to those that Preached Repentance thru the Blood of Jesus Christ, this given to them at Antioch, he followed Christ and was converted to Christ..

3. What was Paul converted to do?
To preach the Gospel to the Gentiles, the heathen, the uncircumcision, this Mystery was Revealed thru Paul's Teaching and Preaching, that the Gentiles could also be Born Again and Inherit the Promises of God ....

4. Did Paul do what he was converted to do?
YES, thru the Power of the Holy Ghost.. with power signs and wonders, not in the wisdom of words.. but thru the Power of the Spirit..


Paul was converted on the Damascus Road.. as He met the Risen LORD... Pauls Conversion was Ordained by God Himself, before the Foudnation of the World, He was a 'chosen vessel', chosen in Christ before the Foundation of the World... chosen to 'suffer' for Christ's Name.. and to bring the Gosepl to the Gentiles...

Paul wasn't converted thru some organization, or some 'tract' message, it wasn't a 'sect or divisional group' that approached him and asked him if he would like to make a 'decision' for Christ.. NOPE.. IT WAS JESUS HIMSELF... that stopped him on the Road and Converted him...

Paul was a persecutor and injurious to Chrisitians prior to his conversion.. consulting to the death of many 'christians'.. but he obtained Mercy and Grace.. because he was a chosen vessel and because he did his evil works in ignorance...

those he once persecuted.. after his conversion.. witnessed and stated that 'he' Saul, who became 'paul'.. he who had once persecuted the Precious Faith... NOW DID NOT PERSECUTE.. but Preached and Taught of the Like Precious Faith.. that the Saints would inherit... this all possible because of the Saving Arm and Power of Jesus Christ..

His Will was done.. thru Paul.... and Paul fought the good fight.. and he finished his course... in Glory..

[Beckrl]

With regards to the following Paul was commanded to go to the gentiles, but he did not give them the law.

Jn 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Mt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded Them, saying, Go not into The way of The Gentiles, and into any city of The Samaritans enter ye not:

Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

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Lets remember Saul's conversion. Christ came not no abolishes the law, but fulfill, then Christ is to be preached for he was that which fulfills the law.

Matthew 5:
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Christ was preached first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles. Peter also came to the same light of understanding when he had an vision of animals. Then Peter preaching to the Gentiles. Acts 10:9-28.

[Firstfruits]

I disagree. Paul messages were given into a historical and culteral context and in order for us to evaluate his message, we need to read his message in light of those circumstances, otherwise we will be tempted to make the passage say whatever we want to hear. I'm not saying that is what you are doing. But that is the danger.

What then is Pauls message to the gentiles?

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

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[Firstfruits]

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1. What was Paul converted from? Judiasm, a staunch follower, blameless, according to the flesh...

2. What was Paul converted to? being a follower of Jesus the Christ, a Chrisitan according to the name given to those that Preached Repentance thru the Blood of Jesus Christ, this given to them at Antioch, he followed Christ and was converted to Christ..

3. What was Paul converted to do?
To preach the Gospel to the Gentiles, the heathen, the uncircumcision, this Mystery was Revealed thru Paul's Teaching and Preaching, that the Gentiles could also be Born Again and Inherit the Promises of God ....

4. Did Paul do what he was converted to do?
YES, thru the Power of the Holy Ghost.. with power signs and wonders, not in the wisdom of words.. but thru the Power of the Spirit..


Paul was converted on the Damascus Road.. as He met the Risen LORD... Pauls Conversion was Ordained by God Himself, before the Foudnation of the World, He was a 'chosen vessel', chosen in Christ before the Foundation of the World... chosen to 'suffer' for Christ's Name.. and to bring the Gosepl to the Gentiles...

Paul wasn't converted thru some organization, or some 'tract' message, it wasn't a 'sect or divisional group' that approached him and asked him if he would like to make a 'decision' for Christ.. NOPE.. IT WAS JESUS HIMSELF... that stopped him on the Road and Converted him...

Paul was a persecutor and injurious to Chrisitians prior to his conversion.. consulting to the death of many 'christians'.. but he obtained Mercy and Grace.. because he was a chosen vessel and because he did his evil works in ignorance...

those he once persecuted.. after his conversion.. witnessed and stated that 'he' Saul, who became 'paul'.. he who had once persecuted the Precious Faith... NOW DID NOT PERSECUTE.. but Preached and Taught of the Like Precious Faith.. that the Saints would inherit... this all possible because of the Saving Arm and Power of Jesus Christ..

His Will was done.. thru Paul.... and Paul fought the good fight.. and he finished his course... in Glory..

Thank you TheBelovedDisciple,

I agree, but what then is the gospel message that Paul preached to the gentiles?

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