The 70th Week (the last 3.5)

[Beckrl]

I would like to hear what your thoughts of the 70th week which in this discussion would be limited to that of Jesus the Christ being the fulfillment.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Jesus being the final sacrifice on the cross, In the midst of the week which is understood to mean seven years. We find that Jesus ministered for at least for three years because of him attending three passovers.

So my question then becomes what of the remaining three and half years from Christ on the cross? In which I would say I'm not inclined to believe in any "gap" into this prophecy. That said, What would be the completion of the determined seventy years? If we were to pin point one event what would that be?

[jeffweeder]

Hiya Beck

It looks to me like there is nothing left to fulfill regarding the 70 weeks

"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

Christ fulfilled this on the cross and then ascended to the Fathers right hand---the most Holy place.
The disciples did continue his work to the Jews for a short time before the Gospel went to the gentiles.

[Beckrl]

Hiya Beck

It looks to me like there is nothing left to fulfill regarding the 70 weeks



Christ fulfilled this on the cross and then ascended to the Fathers right hand---the most Holy place.
The disciples did continue his work to the Jews for a short time before the Gospel went to the gentiles.

I would agree that it has been fulfilled, but my question concerned how or what event can we pin point it's fulfillment?
Do you consider that the gospel being preached to the gentiles as that event? In specific...

[jeffweeder]

Do you consider that the gospel being preached to the gentiles as that event? In specific...

Yes i think so.
God promised them the Gospel in 70 weeks and it was so. Now its time to reel in those Gentiles also.

[Beckrl]

Yes i think so.
God promised them the Gospel in 70 weeks and it was so. Now its time to reel in those Gentiles also.

Any point in specific were we could say that it was finished? That being 3.5 years from the cross.

[jeffweeder]

Any point in specific were we could say that it was finished? That being 3.5 years from the cross.

I think Cyber is correct.
The decree was to Daniels people initially ,that Messiah would come and bring the Gospel of atonement and establish the everlasting righteousness.....a return to walking with God in the garden and feeding on the tree of life through a new covenant.
I see the decree being fulfilled the moment Jesus ascended to the Fathers right hand to mediate for us and allow all people access to the most Holy place.

[Beckrl]

I think Cyber is correct.
The decree was to Daniels people initially ,that Messiah would come and bring the Gospel of atonement and establish the everlasting righteousness.....a return to walking with God in the garden and feeding on the tree of life through a new covenant.
I see the decree being fulfilled the moment Jesus ascended to the Fathers right hand to mediate for us and allow all people access to the most Holy place.

Well, I'll agree but what I thinking is the ministery of Jesus to the Jews was 3.5 years and then his disciples preached the gospel to the Jews. My question would be can we define that their ministery was also 3.5 years to Jews only then it would spread unto the gentiles.?

[Cyberseeker]

Thanks, Cyber

I'm following you. But just to be clear you find that the conversion of Cornelius as the open door to the gentiles and that falls in late AD33?

Yes, and the early church put much more significance on to the conversion of Cornelius than we do for this very reason.

Well, I'll agree but what I thinking is the ministery of Jesus to the Jews was 3.5 years and then his disciples preached the gospel to the Jews. My question would be can we define that their ministery was also 3.5 years to Jews only then it would spread unto the gentiles.?

Throughout Jesus’ ministry (and immediately after the cross) the disciples were instructed, “do not go to the gentiles.” This is because the covenant was being confirmed to the Jews first. The covenant would be confirmed to the gentiles last – after the times determined on Israel.

So your idea, if Im reading you right, is that this period of 3½ after the cross completed the 70th week? That is what I think too. It was until the conversion of Cornelius which was the trigger for the gospel floodgates being opened to the world.

[Beckrl]

Yes, and the early church put much more significance on to the conversion of Cornelius than we do for this very reason.



Throughout Jesus’ ministry (and immediately after the cross) the disciples were instructed, “do not go to the gentiles.” This is because the covenant was being confirmed to the Jews first. The covenant would be confirmed to the gentiles last – after the times determined on Israel.

So your idea, if Im reading you right, is that this period of 3½ after the cross completed the 70th week? That is what I think too. It was until the conversion of Cornelius which was the trigger for the gospel floodgates being opened to the world.

You would be reading me right Would that also relate to the conversion of Saul? I notice that he didn't go straight to the gentiles but did go straight to the jewish synagogues.

Not really knowing the time line it seems that Peter preached to the gentiles before Paul. So what determined events that would tells us the time line that Peter convert Cornelius?
Please share you findings.

[RevLogos]

You would be reading me right Would that also relate to the conversion of Saul? I notice that he didn't go straight to the gentiles but did go straight to the jewish synagogues.

Not really knowing the time line it seems that Peter preached to the gentiles before Paul. So what determined events that would tells us the time line that Peter convert Cornelius?
Please share you findings.

Several things happened in close proximity. The stoning of Stephen, which could symbolically represent the Jews' final rejection of Christ. The conversion of Saul, and Peter's vision to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, followed by the conversion of Cornelius. Any of these could be the event God uses in the prophesy as the end of the second 3.5 years. Whichever, we see the final rejection by the Jews and the direction to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles. This rejection set in motion the destruction of the Temple and the Diaspora. Their fate was sealed.

[Beckrl]

Several things happened in close proximity. The stoning of Stephen, which could symbolically represent the Jews' final rejection of Christ. The conversion of Saul, and Peter's vision to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, followed by the conversion of Cornelius. Any of these could be the event God uses in the prophesy as the end of the second 3.5 years. Whichever, we see the final rejection by the Jews and the direction to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles. This rejection set in motion the destruction of the Temple and the Diaspora. Their fate was sealed.

Hi RevLogos,

It could be that all that you mentioned coming together, and your last statement seems to go along with Daniel. "even until the consummation, and that determined shall be upon the desolate."

What is "that" determined? I think it was just spoken of; "come shall destory the city, and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Thanks

[Cyberseeker]

Several things happened in close proximity. The stoning of Stephen ... The conversion of Saul ... Peter's vision to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, followed by the conversion of Cornelius. Any of these could be the event God uses in the prophesy as the end of the second 3.5 years.

Those who believe the 70th week continued straight after the 69th (people like us) usually identify one of the above events. However my chronological studies locate the stoning as early AD33 and Cornelius as late AD33. Since Christ death was 14th Nisan (7 April) AD30, we must add 3.5 years which brings us to the latter event.

Also there is a logical issue here. The 'weeks' were precise time periods pertaining to Israels sabbatical and jubilee system. The times of the Gentiles could not begin until the times of Jacob ended. So the 70th week had to get a full stop before the times of the Gentiles could begin. Historically, that beginning is the conversion of Cornelius.

[hisvessel1]

Here's my take on Dan.9:27. Antichrist is the one who makes a covenant with Israel ( peace treaty ). He breaks it after 3 and a half years. As far as i know, we haven't come to that point.

[vinsight4u8]

The "he" links back to the first part of the chapter. Go beack and see how the chapter begins with Daniel discovered something in the writings of Jeremiah about a he.

he shall desolate

What does the guy in Daniel 9:27 do? - desolate

Gabriel came to explain to Daniel the Jeremiah prophecy.
So - Daniel 9:27 is about the Jeremiah prophecy Daniel supplicated over.
That is the reason that Gabriel came - to help Daniel know the timing of the completion of Jeremiah's prophecy.

[vinsight4u8]

Be sure to let what Gabriel told Daniel be divided up into two separate stories - look at the two determined parts.

70 weeks are determined

but - the final weeks is set in its own determined time