The 70th Week (the last 3.5)

[Beckrl]

I would like to hear what your thoughts of the 70th week which in this discussion would be limited to that of Jesus the Christ being the fulfillment.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Jesus being the final sacrifice on the cross, In the midst of the week which is understood to mean seven years. We find that Jesus ministered for at least for three years because of him attending three passovers.

So my question then becomes what of the remaining three and half years from Christ on the cross? In which I would say I'm not inclined to believe in any "gap" into this prophecy. That said, What would be the completion of the determined seventy years? If we were to pin point one event what would that be?

[jeffweeder]

Hiya Beck

It looks to me like there is nothing left to fulfill regarding the 70 weeks

"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

Christ fulfilled this on the cross and then ascended to the Fathers right hand---the most Holy place.
The disciples did continue his work to the Jews for a short time before the Gospel went to the gentiles.

[Beckrl]

Hiya Beck

It looks to me like there is nothing left to fulfill regarding the 70 weeks



Christ fulfilled this on the cross and then ascended to the Fathers right hand---the most Holy place.
The disciples did continue his work to the Jews for a short time before the Gospel went to the gentiles.

I would agree that it has been fulfilled, but my question concerned how or what event can we pin point it's fulfillment?
Do you consider that the gospel being preached to the gentiles as that event? In specific...

[jeffweeder]

Do you consider that the gospel being preached to the gentiles as that event? In specific...

Yes i think so.
God promised them the Gospel in 70 weeks and it was so. Now its time to reel in those Gentiles also.

[Beckrl]

Yes i think so.
God promised them the Gospel in 70 weeks and it was so. Now its time to reel in those Gentiles also.

Any point in specific were we could say that it was finished? That being 3.5 years from the cross.

[Cyberseeker]

Jesus being the final sacrifice on the cross, In the midst of the week which is understood to mean seven years. We find that Jesus ministered for at least for three years because of him attending three passovers.

3½ years exactly from his baptism in October AD26 till his death in April AD30.

So my question then becomes what of the remaining three and half years from Christ on the cross? In which I would say I'm not inclined to believe in any "gap" into this prophecy. That said, What would be the completion of the determined seventy years? If we were to pin point one event what would that be?

The conversion of Cornelius. (Acts 10:44-48)
3½ years exactly from his death in April AD30 till the gospel was opened to the gentiles late AD33.

[jeffweeder]

Any point in specific were we could say that it was finished? That being 3.5 years from the cross.

I think Cyber is correct.
The decree was to Daniels people initially ,that Messiah would come and bring the Gospel of atonement and establish the everlasting righteousness.....a return to walking with God in the garden and feeding on the tree of life through a new covenant.
I see the decree being fulfilled the moment Jesus ascended to the Fathers right hand to mediate for us and allow all people access to the most Holy place.

[jeffweeder]

How can we preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ if he hasnt fulfilled the 70 weeks?
How can we enter into the throne room of God the Father, without Messiah annionting the most Holy place as our mediator?

[David Taylor]

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I would like to hear what your thoughts of the 70th week which in this discussion would be limited to that of Jesus the Christ being the fulfillment.

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[ross3421]

I would like to hear what your thoughts of the 70th week which in this discussion would be limited to that of Jesus the Christ being the fulfillment.

Yes. Christ is the fulfillment HOWEVER not as in the first coming but fulfilled in the second coming. The first coming is whereby the following COULD be accomplished but is not fulfilled until the second coming.

Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,

to finish the transgression,
and to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy.

FInish the transgression

Christ is the redemption of transgressions but this does not mean transgressions have ended for this to be true then sin would have ended as well and we know this is not the case.

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

1jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


I could go through one by one and show all these things fulfilled at the second coming. To hold to the view that these things happen in the future many in error insert a gap of thousands of years which then glean even more support for the first coming approach. One error is consistent in both views is the translation of weeks to equal years. Seventy weeks are seventy weeks of days not years. Now it is up to someone to show these seventy weeks are yet in entirely future.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Was "that determined" (wrath) poured upon the desolate at the cross? Of course not but mercy. Wrath will be poured out (bowls) upon Christ's second coming.

Jesus being the final sacrifice on the cross, In the midst of the week which is understood to mean seven years. We find that Jesus ministered for at least for three years because of him attending three passovers.

Is Daniel speaking of the sacrifice upon the cross?

"and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,"

How does one cause a sacrifice (death) to cease? Sounds like a double negative to me. Rather a sacrifice on going is stopped which does not make sense in the case of someone dying. Rather we see a sacrifice from God which he ceases at a time he make all thing desolate while pouring out his wrath upon the desolate.

Isa 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion.

Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

Isa 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.


Re 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Re 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

So my question then becomes what of the remaining three and half years from Christ on the cross? In which I would say I'm not inclined to believe in any "gap" into this prophecy. That said, What would be the completion of the determined seventy years? If we were to pin point one event what would that be?

Your premise is that you disregard a future fulfillment do to the gap theory thus you are looking in the past to pin point an event to signal the end of the 70 weeks. It is clear that the event which pin points the completion of the 70 weeks is the second coming, the problem is to reconcile the gap theory. My premise is that then the entire prophecy MUST be yet to come and 70 weeks are what they are 70 literal weeks.

[ross3421]

I would agree that it has been fulfilled, but my question concerned how or what event can we pin point it's fulfillment?
Do you consider that the gospel being preached to the gentiles as that event? In specific...

The events which pin point are the following as there is no need to look to other events. So when do you think these biblically happen?

Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

[Beckrl]

3½ years exactly from his baptism in October AD26 till his death in April AD30.


The conversion of Cornelius. (Acts 10:44-48)
3½ years exactly from his death in April AD30 till the gospel was opened to the gentiles late AD33.

Thanks, Cyber

I'm following you. But just to be clear you find that the conversion of Cornelius as the open door to the gentiles and that falls in late AD33?

[Beckrl]

I think Cyber is correct.
The decree was to Daniels people initially ,that Messiah would come and bring the Gospel of atonement and establish the everlasting righteousness.....a return to walking with God in the garden and feeding on the tree of life through a new covenant.
I see the decree being fulfilled the moment Jesus ascended to the Fathers right hand to mediate for us and allow all people access to the most Holy place.

Well, I'll agree but what I thinking is the ministery of Jesus to the Jews was 3.5 years and then his disciples preached the gospel to the Jews. My question would be can we define that their ministery was also 3.5 years to Jews only then it would spread unto the gentiles.?

[Cyberseeker]

Thanks, Cyber

I'm following you. But just to be clear you find that the conversion of Cornelius as the open door to the gentiles and that falls in late AD33?

Yes, and the early church put much more significance on to the conversion of Cornelius than we do for this very reason.

Well, I'll agree but what I thinking is the ministery of Jesus to the Jews was 3.5 years and then his disciples preached the gospel to the Jews. My question would be can we define that their ministery was also 3.5 years to Jews only then it would spread unto the gentiles.?

Throughout Jesus’ ministry (and immediately after the cross) the disciples were instructed, “do not go to the gentiles.” This is because the covenant was being confirmed to the Jews first. The covenant would be confirmed to the gentiles last – after the times determined on Israel.

So your idea, if Im reading you right, is that this period of 3½ after the cross completed the 70th week? That is what I think too. It was until the conversion of Cornelius which was the trigger for the gospel floodgates being opened to the world.

[Beckrl]

Yes, and the early church put much more significance on to the conversion of Cornelius than we do for this very reason.



Throughout Jesus’ ministry (and immediately after the cross) the disciples were instructed, “do not go to the gentiles.” This is because the covenant was being confirmed to the Jews first. The covenant would be confirmed to the gentiles last – after the times determined on Israel.

So your idea, if Im reading you right, is that this period of 3½ after the cross completed the 70th week? That is what I think too. It was until the conversion of Cornelius which was the trigger for the gospel floodgates being opened to the world.

You would be reading me right Would that also relate to the conversion of Saul? I notice that he didn't go straight to the gentiles but did go straight to the jewish synagogues.

Not really knowing the time line it seems that Peter preached to the gentiles before Paul. So what determined events that would tells us the time line that Peter convert Cornelius?
Please share you findings.