How many Temples will there be?

[David Taylor]

Come to think of it, where in the Bible does it declare that no other Temples will be built?

"And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. " Matthew 24:1

"Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands" Acts 7:48

"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands" Acts 17:24

"But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building" Hebrews 9:11

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God" I Cor 3:16

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord" Ephesians 2:19

"Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true" Hebrews 9:21

"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. " Rev 21:22

[David Taylor]

every one that is left of all the nations which came up against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King

Using scripture to interpret scripture, and allowing the NT to explain the types and shadows of the OT, we can see that this above is fullfilled below:

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it." Rev 21:24

What is the fulfillment of the plague that Zechariah spoke of, regarding those who do not come to worship the King in New Jerusalem?

Again the NT explains the OT types and shadows.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. " Rev 21:8,27

[markedward]

Perhaps you can explain your difficulty with this premise.

No sacrifices? Okay, I can deal with that; I apologize for assuming you believed in those being reinstated (since that is usually the case). But, you have yet to explain how you're not contradicting this:

The Body of Christ, which is the Church, is the Temple of God: John 2.19-22; Mark 14.58; 1 Corinthians 12.27; Ephesians 5.23; Colossians 1.24; 1 Corinthians 3.16-17; 1 Corinthians 6.19; 2 Corinthians 6.16-18; Ephesians 2.18-22

The Body of Christ/Church Temple is Superior to a Physical Temple Building: Matthew 12.6; Hebrews 9.11

The Body of Christ is the superior Temple of God. So long as the Body of Christ exists, the superior Temple of God exists, and by which, there is no reason or need or point in going backwards to the inferior temple building. It's one or the other: you can't have both.

[notuptome]

Zech 14:20-21 doesn't mention David at all, nor establishing a kingdom; -- much less doing that in our future 2700 years removed from Zechariah's day.


However, I did find a scriptures that does speak about Christ establishing a Davidic kingdom, and when specifically He was coming to do it.

"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." Luke 1:31

Acts 2:34 "For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Acts 13:22 "he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus"



Enjoy Christ's Kingdom notuptome.....it's been around for a very, very long time; and welcoming all who will enter; Jew first and also the Gentile.

Isaiah 9:6-7 Christ is upon the throne of David from henceforth even forever. 2 Sam 7:16-17 thy throne shall be established forever. Luke 1:32 and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David.

No doubt I'm in the kingdom of Christ and one day I'll rule with Him over the kingdom of God on the earth. I'm lookin' forward to what God has in store for the future and His restoration and salvation of Israel. Going to be real exciting.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[John146]

Not all believers are ready for all prophecy.

The Israelis have not assembled the parts of the Temple for the fun of collecting.

If the Temple is built, you will have your theory confirmed, and the rest will be wrong.

If not, then it all happened in 70 AD.

I believe the third Temple will be built.

What would be the purpose of such a temple and what would make it so that it would be worthy of being called the temple of God?

[notuptome]

No sacrifices? Okay, I can deal with that; I apologize for assuming you believed in those being reinstated (since that is usually the case). But, you have yet to explain how you're not contradicting this:

The Body of Christ, which is the Church, is the Temple of God: John 2.19-22; Mark 14.58; 1 Corinthians 12.27; Ephesians 5.23; Colossians 1.24; 1 Corinthians 3.16-17; 1 Corinthians 6.19; 2 Corinthians 6.16-18; Ephesians 2.18-22

The Body of Christ/Church Temple is Superior to a Physical Temple Building: Matthew 12.6; Hebrews 9.11

The Body of Christ is the superior Temple of God. So long as the Body of Christ exists, the superior Temple of God exists, and by which, there is no reason or need or point in going backwards to the inferior temple building. It's one or the other: you can't have both.

It is my understanding that not all who are on the earth during this period are saved. The earthly temple is for the benefit of these who are yet to be saved. At the end of the thousand years satan is loosed from his prison and he goes out and gathers together them to battle against the saints. Rev 20:7-9 This is followed by the GWT.

I have no problem with the church co-existing with a physical temple in Jerusalem during the millenial reign.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[John146]

Let me ask perhaps a more clear, better phrased question: Do not the following describe a physical building?

KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 "3.Let no one deceive you by any means: for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition. 4. Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

Revelation 11:1-2
1:”And there was given to me a reed like unto a rod: and the angle stood, saying rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.”
2:”But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two months.”

No. There is nothing there that says those must be speaking of a physical building. The church, as the temple of God, is described as a building in Eph 2:19-22 and yet we know that the church is not a literal, physical building. If the church can be described figuratively as a building then I would say the man of sin sitting in the temple of God can also be a figurative expression. And measuring the temple of God is also likely a figurative expression as there would be no point in literally measuring a physical temple building.

[markedward]

It is my understanding that not all who are on the earth during this period are saved. The earthly temple is for the benefit of these who are yet to be saved.

And... how will that benefit them? How is the inferior physical temple building going to get them saved anymore, than the superior Temple of God (Jesus Christ) will get them saved?

I have no problem with the church co-existing with a physical temple in Jerusalem during the millenial reign.

And yet you have no support from Scripture for this co-existence. You claimed that the Davidic kingdom would only begin at the Second Coming, yet David Taylor provided Scripture to show it began at the First Coming. You claimed that Christ will have another temple built, yet plenty of Scripture has been provided to show that the Temple that is his Body has already come, and will never disappear... so there's literally no point in having two temples co-exist, one inferior and redemptively backwards, the other infinitely superior and wondrous.

[David Taylor]

I'm lookin' forward to what God has in store for the future and His restoration and salvation of Israel. Going to be real exciting.

I'm not excited about a future restoration of any nation above another at all; nor do I look forward to any ruling classes of humans or subclasses who are subjegated by others in. I don't believe that's what God has in mind one bit for those who love Him.

I believe God rather, has a more exciting future where all of the redeemed of all ages, the Jew first and also the Gentile; participate together, eternally in the end of sin and death, and the restoration of the entire universe and creation free of sin.

I look forward to a day when the Israelite, Icelander, Indian, and Irishman all join hands as brothers, and jointly kneel down before the throne of the lamb, and billions more just like them, and offer praises and thanksgiving unto the Lord Jesus. No racial divides, no ruling classes, no subjects, no selfish interests.

That my friend, will be much more exciting than the vision of a future earthly sinful kingdom rule that the OT Jews mistakenly had where they expected to be the ruling class over the hapless Gentiles, which future vision unfortunately many NT people today still hold onto.

[John146]

In neither case did I suggest that animal sacrifices would be reinstated. The nations will come up to Jerusalem to worship the Lord in both Zech 14 and Rev 20. In the millenium there will be the feast of the tabernacles a seven day feast unto the Lord. I agree that there will be no need of a blood offering for sin but meal offerings, drink offerings, and such. Zech 14:16 every one that is left of all the nations which came up against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Perhaps you can explain your difficulty with this premise.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Can you explain why people would once again have to go to Jerusalem to worship God in light of the fact that Jesus said this long ago:

John 4
19The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Why would it be that Jesus would have said that the time was coming and already was the time when people would no longer be expected to worship the Father in Jerusalem but instead to worship Him in spirit and in truth only to go back again to expecting people to go to Jerusalem to worship the Father?

[John146]

I'm not excited about a future restoration of any nation above another at all; nor do I look forward to any ruling classes of humans or subclasses who are subjegated by others in. I don't believe that's what God has in mind one bit for those who love Him.

I believe God rather, has a more exciting future where all of the redeemed of all ages, the Jew first and also the Gentile; participate together, eternally in the end of sin and death, and the restoration of the entire universe and creation free of sin.

I look forward to a day when the Israelite, Icelander, Indian, and Irishman all join hands as brothers, and jointly kneel down before the throne of the lamb, and billions more just like them, and offer praises and thanksgiving unto the Lord Jesus. No racial divides, no ruling classes, no subjects, no selfish interests.

That my friend, will be much more exciting than the vision of a future earthly sinful kingdom rule that the OT Jews mistakenly had where they expected to be the ruling class over the hapless Gentiles, which future vision unfortunately many NT people today still hold onto.

I couldn't agree more.

[notuptome]

I'm not excited about a future restoration of any nation above another at all; nor do I look forward to any ruling classes of humans or subclasses who are subjegated by others in. I don't believe that's what God has in mind one bit for those who love Him.

I believe God rather, has a more exciting future where all of the redeemed of all ages, the Jew first and also the Gentile; participate together, eternally in the end of sin and death, and the restoration of the entire universe and creation free of sin.

I look forward to a day when the Israelite, Icelander, Indian, and Irishman all join hands as brothers, and jointly kneel down before the throne of the lamb, and billions more just like them, and offer praises and thanksgiving unto the Lord Jesus. No racial divides, no ruling classes, no subjects, no selfish interests.

That my friend, will be much more exciting than the vision of a future earthly sinful kingdom rule that the OT Jews mistakenly had where they expected to be the ruling class over the hapless Gentiles, which future vision unfortunately many NT people today still hold onto.

Why do you say it will be a sinful kingdom when Christ is the King? There will be no inequity but rather justice and righteousness for all mankind. Your perception of what the kingdom will be is jaded by what we have now but all that is wrong now will be righted then.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[David Taylor]

Why do you say it will be a sinful kingdom when Christ is the King? There will be no inequity but rather justice and righteousness for all mankind. Your perception of what the kingdom will be is jaded by what we have now but all that is wrong now will be righted then.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I'm being consistent with the standard Dispensational model of the Premill Kingdom after the 2nd Coming.

That model teaches that Zechariah 14, Ezekiel 40-48, and Isaiah 65 (to name a few OT verses), show us sinners during it's Premill Kingdom both in Israel, in Jerusalem, and throughout the Earth.

I personally completely disagree with this expectation, and the application of those verses '-after-' the Second Coming; and believe sin and death ends at the second coming; and the curse is removed completely; not partially or gradually or any other premise that allows sin to continue for another 1000 years on Earth.

When the true Kingdom of Christ following the Second Coming begins, there will be no sin or death....zero, on the Earth; behold I make all things new, the former things are passed away. He shall wipe away all tears, death will be swallowed up in victory!

[markedward]

Why do you say it will be a sinful kingdom when Christ is the King?

Do you deny that Christ is already King? That seems to be what you're saying here... that he is not King yet.

Christ is already King, and sin yet exists. Do you disagree with that?

[SirToady]

I understand that the body is our Temple of the Holy Spirit.

John 2:19,21
19 “Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
21 “But He was speaking of the temple of His body”
1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16:”Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?”
17:”If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”
1 Corinthians 6:19 “Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?”
2 Corinthians 6:16:”And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said” I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

I understand Jesus Christ is the foundation by which we grow in a holy temple in the Lord.

Ephesians2:18-22
18:”For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.”
19:”Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,”
20:”having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,”
21:”in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows in a holy temple in the Lord,”
22:”in whom you also are being built together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.”

I understand that God does not dwell in temples made with hands.

Acts 7:46-50, also Acts 17:24-25
46:”who found favor before God and asked to find a dwelling for the God of Jacob.”
47:”But Solomon built Him a house.”
48:”However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:
49:Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? Says the Lord, or what is the place of My rest?”

Let me ask perhaps a more clear, better phrased question: Do not the following describe a physical building?

KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 "3.Let no one deceive you by any means: for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition. 4. Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

Revelation 11:1-2
1:”And there was given to me a reed like unto a rod: and the angle stood, saying rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.”
2:”But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city under foot for forty-two months.”

A source for a Jewish perspective on a Third Temple can be found at The Temple Institute
http://www.templeinstitute.org/future_temple.htm