Why Call Ye Me, Lord, Lord?

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Not at all.
If you do not know what the gospel is, you can't put Him on and sin off.
We know what is good, most just do not know how to perform it.

Would you say that even without the gospel most people know the difference between doing right and wrong?

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[Sirus]

Of course! That's a basic fundamental bible 101 doctrine. Often they do not know until they sin, but the conscience steps in.

[Firstfruits]

Of course! That's a basic fundamental bible 101 doctrine. Often they do not know until they sin, but the conscience steps in.

So for those that do what is wrong without knowing and the conscience steps in, depending on what was done would they expect there to be consequenses for their actions? This would also apply to those that knew they were doing wrong.

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[Sirus]

depending on what was done? I'm not RCC.

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depending on what was done? I'm not RCC.

In that case would anyone that does anything wrong expect to face consequences for their actions?

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[Sirus]

in what case?............

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in what case?............

If we agree that in general most people know the difference between doing that which is right and that which is wrong, if they then do that which is wrong would they also expect the consequences that follow their actions

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[karenoka27]

Hearing and believing the word is not enough, we must do as the Lord wills.

God bless you!

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Ahhhhh....

James 2:17-18-"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. '

Faith and works go together. I still hold to we are saved by faith through grace not of works... however, I do believe that when we are saved we are called to do good works. I believe tha we do these works in the power of the Holy Spirit, using the gifts that were given us by Him. I believe that we can do "all" things through Christ who strengthens us.(Phil 4:13).

I believe works do not save.
I believe works show we are saved.
I believe we are rewarded for the works we do bringing glory to our God.

[Firstfruits]

Ahhhhh....

James 2:17-18-"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. '

Faith and works go together. I still hold to we are saved by faith through grace not of works... however, I do believe that when we are saved we are called to do good works. I believe tha we do these works in the power of the Holy Spirit, using the gifts that were given us by Him. I believe that we can do "all" things through Christ who strengthens us.(Phil 4:13).

I believe works do not save.
I believe works show we are saved.
I believe we are rewarded for the works we do bringing glory to our God.

Thank you Karenoka27,

From the following it appears that believing is also a work which is required for salvation, and then doing what Jesus has commanded is a continuation of the work of God.

Jn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Mt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

So as far as Jesus is concerned it is all work.

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[Firstfruits]

Has the gospel of Christ changed with regards to the following scripture?

1 Timothy 6:1-14
1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

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[notuptome]

2 Cor 5:17 If any man be in Christ he is a new creature old things are passed away behold all things are become new.

Those who have not become new creatures in Christ cannot be righteous, they are goats and not sheep.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Firstfruits]

2 Cor 5:17 If any man be in Christ he is a new creature old things are passed away behold all things are become new.

Those who have not become new creatures in Christ cannot be righteous, they are goats and not sheep.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Thanks Roger,

If we then claim to be new creatures in Christ and we are still walk in darkness is that not possible, with regards to the following scripture?

1 Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 Jn 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

Is the darkness really past?

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[Firstfruits]

If we cannot depart from iniquity, if we cannot cease from sin then what is our hope when he returns?

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Lk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

2 Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

God bless you!

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