By His Stripes I'm Healed
What about one such as Paul in Romans 7 who hated his sin? I wouldn't say that sin is coming from his heart when he professes hatred rather than love for it. To say that sin comes from a person's heart is the same as saying the person sins because they love it and it is their desire to do it. Paul makes it clear in Romans 7 that he doesn't love his sin and his desire is to not commit it.Originally Posted by Brother Mark
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
As righteous as Christ.
I would. Here's why...
Matt 15:19-20
19 "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man."
NASU
I think Paul was writing from his spirit and his heart. With his mind and spirit and even his heart, he hated his sin. But the sin was in his flesh and in his heart (Matt 15:19-20). Thus, he was defiled. Thing is, it was also in his heart to be free because Jesus also said "From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks". So Paul's heart was in torment over it's division. However, Romans 8 is the answer to Romans 7 is it not?
I think we can find in the scriptures the answer to every sin. But I don't think we can find a formula that fits every body. Though there are things in general that make a difference and are very helpful.
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
I could see why you would believe that; however, I would contend that Matthew 15 is not being spoken to those who have been given a new heart and a new spirit. Jesus was addressing the scribes and Pharisees and their defiled religious assertions made toward His disciples.
How can a person who has been given a new heart from God have sin flowing from it?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
As righteous as Christ.
Because hearts can be divided. James addresses these issues and says "it should not be so". Let me ask it in another way...
Jesus says from the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Where does the sin come from when a believer sins with his mouth?
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
How can a new heart be divided? The sin comes from the flesh. If the sin comes from the heart then why does a believer hate it? The flesh will react a lot of ways. However, Paul declares that a person can act out in the flesh something that they absolutely despise. I have experienced this myself as well. To say that it came from my heart would be the same as to say I loved it. This was not the case. I absolutely hated it, and immediately on these occasions I am flooded with sorrow over my actions. This is not the result of someone who loves sin or has a heart that produces sin.
The very reason we have this sort of reaction is because our heart is NOT in it.
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
As righteous as Christ.
I understand and I would agree that the new born heart does not like sin. But even so, didn't Jesus say that from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks? If we sin with our lips, have we not sinned with our heart?
Why so many warnings about guarding our heart in scripture?
Can there be nothing in the heart that the spirit hates? I think so!
When Jesus spoke about what defiled a man, he was speaking to both his disciples and the pharisees. Why would we think his words only apply to the pharisees?
Matt 5:28-29
28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
NASU
Where did Jesus say the sin occured when dealing with lust?
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
No, I do not believe that passage means what you are taking away from it. For example, a lot of married couples say things in anger that they do not mean. They usually do this because their flesh has been confronted in a manner that the flesh doesn't like. You cannot in most cases automatically say that what came from the spouse's mouth is what is in their heart. In fact, for a believer with a new heart they would immediately feel horrible for what they said. The reason they feel horrible about it is because it was not something from their heart. In fact, what is in their heart is love for that other person and for God, which is why they feel so terrible in the first place. However, for the unbeliever many times they take pleasure in hurting the other because that is what is in their heart to do. I remember feeling this many times when I was unsaved. I would say things to people simply because I knew it would make them feel bad. I wanted to make them feel that way. I couldn't say the same today. To do something like that to another would eat me up inside. The reason is because I have been given a new heart, and my reaction to sin is no longer the same as it used to be.
Additionally, in the scriptures you are referring to Jesus is addressing the "brood of vipers" and the "good man" versus the "evil man."
In what context are you referring to?Why so many warnings about guarding our heart in scripture?
Love and hate comes from our heart. There is a reason God does a work in our heart and gives us a new one.Can there be nothing in the heart that the spirit hates? I think so!
What scriptures are you referring to that says a person's heart can be divided? What scriptures state that a person can have both sin and purity in the same heart?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
By His Stripes I'm Healed
Another point as well . . .
Our will does not reside in our spirit. Our will resides in the soulish realm. Paul very clearly declares in Romans 7 that his will was to obey God. However, he did not find the ability to do it. He also says that he has a hatred for what he is doing. He is not speaking of only his spirit having a hatred for what he is doing. He is not just speaking of his spirit willing not to sin.
He is speaking of the soulish realm. In his soul, which is the mind, will and emotions, he does not desire to sin.
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
As righteous as Christ.
Yet, anger came out the mouth. Why? Because anger was in the heart. For the mouth speaks from the abundance of the heart. At least that's the way I see it. Whatever is in the heart, will come out the mouth and reveal the heart.
Instead of addressing a whole slew of questions, I'll go back to the sermon on the mount again and then go to the question in a later post. Where did Jesus say the sin of lust occurred?
Matt 5:28
28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
NASU
And he clarified this by saying "everyone".
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
What is heaven all about, is it not about the following?
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Firstfruits
By His Stripes I'm Healed
Okay, so how will someone with a new heart given by God desire to be with other women? I can see how someone's flesh will desire to be with other women, but how could a heart from God lust after this woman? What Jesus is pointing out in the sermon on the mount is the need for a new heart.
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
By His Stripes I'm Healed
Okay . . . and what is that?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
Righteousness, and peace, and joy.
Firstfruits
Veteran
Love, It all we need to do! Forget about trying to avoid sin.
By His Stripes I'm Healed
Okay, and what is that? Where do we get this righteousness, peace and joy?
"What you do does not define who you are; it's who you are that defines what you do."
-- Dr. Neil T. Anderson
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