Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
Because the message to all from the Father is that we do not sin.
Yes, but the message isn't that we must stop sinning completely or else we lose our salvation. That's where you have gone astray in your doctrine. You eliminate God's grace from being part of salvation when you do that.

If we canot do as God has commanded and contiue as though we have no choice but to sin we are not giving a good example to the new in Christ.
I'm not saying that we have no choice but to sin, I'm saying that it takes time to spiritually mature and learn how to walk in the Spirit consistently. Scripture doesn't say that if we don't immediately mature completely we lose our salvation as your doctrine teaches.

Will they not say " well if those that have been here before me cannot do Gods will whats the rush"
Again, no one is saying that we can't do God's will. Scripture repeatedly speaks of the importance of making the effort to grow spiritually, but it also talks about God graciously giving us the time to grow as His Spirit continues to teach us as time goes on. Wouldn't you agree? If you want to make the point that if someone is not striving to continually grow in the faith then that is a serious problem, I will agree with you on that but I think you take it all too far and end up making salvation a result of man's own righteousness and perfection rather than by God's grace through faith.